Not doing fighting pistol:

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Is there more to this? The way its submitted, its probably more appropriate for the Rallying Point forum . . . Need me to move it?
 
Was planning on doing Fighting Pistol and Fighting Rifle when they come to VA in september....ok, i still am.
 
A few pics from Fighting Pistol today...

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Nomad, you missed a perfect day of training. :neener:
 
thanks for the pics. looks like fun, the target stands seems like they allow the targets to flop all different ways, they don't look to be holding the targets very well. i would think that they would have a little better equipment for the money? in the first pic.. where are the instructers? it looks like everyone is doing there own thing. they are at different distances from the target, one guys looking behind him, looks uncordinated and looks like there is little control ofthe students and looks more like a free for all, please correct me if i am wrong, i am sure that it merely looks that way and thet it is not the case, but it sure seems that way.
 
possum, it looks to me as if they may be doing "after action drills." The shooting is done and people are in various stages of checking for more adversaries, checking their six, and reloading.

After action drills may look chaotic, but they are a necessary skillset. Good muzzle control is a must and from what I see they all have that.

HTH
 
possum,

I'm making a leap to an assumption here, but I'm gonna bet its more true than not: The folks in that class are of a "higher caliber" than the novice student. They can probably feel more comfortable with a lessor R/O to student ratio than normal, and allow more freedom of movement.


And when it comes to the place where the rubber meets the road, who is responsible for safe gun handling, the shooter or the R/O? If the pictures from that class make you uncomfortable, you'd have a downright heart attack with some of the things we allow at the NTI, and do at Study Group.


- "Life is a hot range." Dave S., NTI Team Member
 
There is nothing unsafe in the pictures as none of the 4 firearm safety rules are being violated. Maybe another school would be a better choice if a perfectly straight, static firing line is what you equate with safety.
 
Sorry guys, the final exercise review should be up tomorrow (When I am near my computer)

I was not expecting to go, it was a rushed thing and I just wanted to post an explination as to why I was not posting...

I have already taken Fighting Pistol... in the first pic everything is 100% safe...

Go to the class... you'll understand

(It's official... I used to make fun of those that had... I have drank the Koolaid.)
 
i didn't know that it was that type of course. but that is great. i believe that you should train as you fight. i appreciate the explination, i didn't know these were experience shooters and etc, i have done some pretty crazy stuff in both trainning and combat so none of it makes me uncomfortabe by any means, and as a matter of fact there needs to be more trainning courses like that. glad to see that they are doing it right!
 
Looks like training class broke out during a Glock convention . . .
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Ya that kinda surprises me. For "experienced" shooters of that age group to *all* be using Glocks is kinda strange. Was that because it was raining? Was Glock recomended prior to the course or did it just end up that way?
 
im not contradicting anyone or anything like that,im not out to offend anyone but my question is...in the last pic,doesnt that position offer a thicker target therefore a longer way for the bullet to travel inside your body if you do get hit? or are they shooting "over" some kind of cover? i understand that you make your body a smaller target but....what if........???:confused:
 
innerwrath, they are probably doing a "downed shooter" drill. This is not a position that you choose to get into, it is just where you may end up, flat on your back and fighting for your life.
 
For "experienced" shooters of that age group to *all* be using Glocks is kinda strange.
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Glocks have always been the predominant choice in all of the handgun courses that I have been in. Yes, I have seen courses where there are nothing but Glocks.

Like them or hate them.....they just work. Since reliability is always the first concern in a self defense handgun the Glock is not a bad way to go. There are a whole lot of people out there that realize that.
 
Not only do Glocks work, you can buy three and a big box full of magazines for the price of one fancy pants 1911.

Good to see people training, even if they are not carrying proper fancy pants 1911s.:D

inner, just remember in a fight you will likely find yourself where? Right, the ground. Might as well learn to practice to shoot from there.:)
 
There were plenty of non-glocks in this class. There were 3 or 4 XD's, an HK USP, and an M9.

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As is typical in a Fighting Pistol class the students in this class were of varying backgrounds, skill levels and experience. We had one active duty Marine, two current high risk contractors who stayed on two more days after the Contractor Packages to get a little more pistol time, a doctor, two lawyers, a fireman, a prior Army guy, some computer guys, a golf course design consultant and a few others I can't remember. About 1/4 of the class this was their first formal training (one student had only shot a pistol one time prior to this class). For 4 students this was their second time taking Fighting Pistol from us.
 
I've said for many years that the Tactical Response two day pistol class [used to be Tactical Pistol, now Fighting Pistol] was one of the best short format handgun classes.

I was tempted to extend my stay in Camden and shoot this one, but my youngest daughter had a birthday party on Sunday that I was not about to miss.:D
 
I've said for many years that the Tactical Response two day pistol class [used to be Tactical Pistol, now Fighting Pistol] was one of the best short format handgun classes.
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Thank you, Paul.
 
Anyone want to give me any advice before I take Fighting Pistol and Fighting Rifle in September?

I need to go shopping for a Hip Holster, Mag Holders, Tac Vest, etc...

All I got now is CCW stuff.
 
Train like you will fight. Please don't go out and buy a bunch of gear just to take a class. I've taken (and taught) plenty of rifle classes with my CCW pistol, a rifle on a sling and a spare rifle mag in my back pocket.

Having a bunch of new gear (vest, drop leg holster, belts, etc.) that you aren't familiar with can cause your attention to be on that rather than the real lessons of the class.

Stay out of the gear trap. You will be a much more informed consumer if you wait until after class to make your purchases. You will know what you NEED to have to support and enhance your ability to fight.
 
How about some student reviews from last weekend's Fighting Pistol class?

AAR Fighting Pistol 4/14-4/15

First of all I would like to thank our three Instructors. I would like to thank Shay for giving up a portion of his “nothing that casts a shadow” meal to help me work on my trigger control and his patience involved in this endeavor. I did find some humorous irony in a vegan giving us the “Grass Eater Meat Eater” analogy in the mindset lecture. All kidding aside Shay delivered an amazing mindset lecture! Props to Allen, a great teacher… and with my grip, my sight picture, and Allen’s trigger finger I am dangerous mother****er (I have a consistent trigger jerk to work through). Last but not least thanks to Jay who watched over us guys on the far end of the line. He would keep reminding us that we weren’t just going through the motions of scanning around, but that we were looking for movement by the cars or for a guy with a rifle behind the *****er. Not to just move, but to anticipate a force attack, and who stayed on us to visualize round body parts not 2-D paper targets. Jay didn’t say near as much as Allen or Shay, but you could bet if he did it was either hilarious or it was something that could save your ass in fight for your life.

As everyone in the class knows we had wonderful training weather. Everyone’s fantasy gunfight takes place in familiar surroundings with weather that is sunny, mild, and of course with the sun in their attacker’s eyes. Under the guidance of the TR instructors we proved we could move, fight, execute our f.a.s.t. procedures in rain, wind, and mud without anyone being injured. I believe that we received more out of the training because of the “soggy” & “windy” weather.

Shay was spot-on when he described Fighting Pistol as “drinking from a fire hose.” Since the moment I left Yeager’s house I have been evaluating and finding more depth in the lectured material and hand’s on work on the range. It is all starting to decompress and really sink in. I honestly believe amongst all the new things learned the one most crucial thing I have taken from the class is recognition of how much I don’t know. With a new solid understanding of the fundamentals and the mindset needed for fighting with a gun, I feel as though I now have foundation to build on. Now that the instructors have done their part its our turn to “make our payments” and start applying that knowledge to our training at home. I’ve already got a stack of “dot drill” targets and a handful of dummy rounds for my next trip to the range. I’m hoping that come May 19-20 Shay will able to see the incorporation of the Fighting Pistol skills into my action/reactions within the FoF class.

I want to thank Allen and Sam who have been stand up guys getting the gear to me faster than I could imagine. They are always nice enough to sell me more than I need, but definitely less than I want. Sam has been real helpful in helping me select gear that suits my own personal needs and it is much appreciated.

To my fellow students, I was able to get to know some of you better than others but I enjoyed your company immensely and I look forward to training with you in the future as well as talking to you on the board. Finally to the Yeager family, thank you for allowing us into your home. One cannot truly understand the Team Room until you’re sitting on the couch amongst people who treat you like family even though you’ve just met.

Final thoughts: I am very glad that I choose Tactical Response as the first school to take firearms training. I feel as though the bar is set to a higher standard and in doing so the students rise to that higher level of overall preparedness.
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