Stoned Person Buying Bullets

Personally, if I was the proprietor, I wouldn't sell him the ammo. I would tell him to get lost, and request that he not return as well, if he was in fact in the state you describe. Selling a person who is under the influence or high is a danger, carrying a gun, especially one that's loaded, since a weapon means nothing without ammo. It's a judgement call, but I would rather loose a stoner's business than help put innocents in danger.

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Was he at the counter buying ammo or was he at the range on the firing line?

BIG difference.

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Perhaps he was taking them home, for home defense.
Any evidence otherwise?

No need for a law...
"We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone"-I like those signs, if a clerk doesn't want to sell to pot-heads then he doesn't have to. period. If he does, who cares, the stoned guy is at fault when he blows his brains out or shoots the neighbor...

It's a personal choice/freedom to be able to screw-up your brain any way you like.

Pot does screw you up-look at all the pot the baby-boomer generation smoked, that pot produced people like pelosi, feinstein, clinton, clinton II, Al Gore, Bush, Kerry, Rosie, Ted Kennedy, need I go on? Every mind altering substance has long term effects.

If he's over 18 and not making a disturbance then who cares if he wants ammo.

The more gun people in this country the merrier.

Kungfuhippie
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Aw man, you just blew my argument with that factoid.

I've voted a couple of people out of hunting camps for the simple reason they were a danger to the rest of us. It's a tad off topic, but still in the ball park. If you're using prescription drugs ( HMO's hand out Xanax, Hydrocodone and Paxil like candy), alcohol or pot it can end in tragic consequence if there's a loaded gun in your hands.

Just as a general rule, if you ever shoot with me don't come buzzed. We can always do that later! :O) It's a simple matter of keeping the two activities seperate.

Would this apply to a legal user who was not addicted?

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It would be logical that a legal, non-addicted user would be ok, but it is probably best to contact the ATF and County/state/local PD to verify.

Also, stimulants and depressants are included with marijuana and other controlled substances.

bullets..... I lold

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But seriously, the mix-up between "bullets" and "ammunition" (or "cartridges") is as annoying as the mix-up between clip and magazine.

We used to shoot off an abandoned bridge in the middle of nowhere when I was a teenager. We enjoyed shooting, we enjoyed drinking, we enjoyed smoking... they just kinda all went together sometimes, nobody got hurt.

We had enough trouble buying ammo as it was. Here, you've gotta be 21 to buy pistol ammo, so we'd stop at walmart and have to argue with the manager every time that the .45acp was for a Kel Tech that my buddy had. I wasn't into lying, so I convinced him to keep that worthless semi-rifle pistol piece of junk just so we could haul it around in the car to show gun shop managers that we were using the ammo for a 'rifle'. Did nothing but jam and wasn't nearly as accurate as any pistol I've ever shot... pretty bad for a 'rifle'.

I wouldn't recommend shooting match under the influence....but if you're just out for fun in an open field somewhere....

Hey, if a guy wants to burn some tree and plink at some pop cans, ain't no skin off my johnson. I'm thinkin' some folks watched "Reefer Madness" one time too many.
'Course, I'm real big on minding my own bidness. Got enough problems of my own without diggin' in to someone else's.
JMO...

Biker

new marijuana is powerful

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Coming from a former pot head, I can say that is a misleading statement. Pot is kind of like vegetables, there have always been good vegetables, you just can't get canned and expect it to be the same as frozen. But the cost is much more prohibitive for the dank stuff so you found a lot of people not buying that, but it has become a status symbol so it has a much wider market now. But Cali and the northern coastline and Canada and a lot of islands have always had the quality stuff dating back more years than the old hippies I have known have been at it. A lot of Mexico is desert and the desert isn't the best place to grown stuff. But like everything from Mexico, its cheap.

Its not more potent in a molecular kind of way, and in fact its almost "healthier" because #1 you don't have to smoke as much, and #2 there is less chance of getting it only to find it covered in nasty chemicals.

Was he at the counter buying ammo or was he at the range on the firing line?

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Beat me to it .

I like the posts that talk about "those d**m potheads" etc . Kind of reminds me of " those d**m gun nuts" . They don't bother me , I don't bother them . Stoned buying ammo? Have confirmation of that, or just suspicion? I often hear people talk about "nanny states" etc , yet isn't denying an ammo purchase based on someone being "stoned" and they may hurt themselves just playing into that nanny state ?

Hey, if a guy wants to burn some tree and plink at some pop cans, ain't no skin off my johnson.

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I don't care either, but Biker says it better.

People in altered mental states or inebriated should not allowed to buy ammo. The merchant has the right to refuse the sale on that basis.

When stoner #1 or stoner #2 "accidentally" shoot one another, who is the lawyer going to sue? Yup, the store that sold the ammo.

Altered by what? Alcohol? Pain killers? Prozak? Sleep deprivation? Maybe a low IQ?
Lemme know where to draw the line, Adolph.

Biker

Yeah smart guy, It's not about a stoner's "rights". The $2 profit on the ammo is not worth the $10,000,000 lawsuit. The store owner has a right to stay in business. Or are one of those pinkos who hates businesses?

Pinko? PINKO!!?? My God, I've just been flamed by Archie Bunker! Get ahold o' that boy, Edith!

Relax, Arch, I wasn't the one who put sand in your thong.

Now, can you provide some evidence showing that an ammo seller ever got sued for selling a pot smoker some ammo? This would go far in advancing your argument.

Biker

Pot does screw you up-look at all the pot the baby-boomer generation smoked, that pot produced people like pelosi, feinstein, clinton, clinton II, Al Gore, Bush, Kerry, Rosie, Ted Kennedy, need I go on? Every mind altering substance has long term effects.

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I highly doubt pot had anything to do with them being nutjobs, especially Kennedy with all the booze he drinks. I know quite a few people who smoke pot , both my age and from that generation and they're not all screwed up. I'd bet that quite a few of the older people in my State AG's office smoke recreationally even now, and even more did it in their youth.

Biker, there's good air here in Idaho- and once again you've demonstrated breathing it makes for a clear head.

May your tribe increase.

AJ

"Pinko? PINKO!!?? My God, I've just been flamed by Archie Bunker! Get ahold o' that boy, Edith!

Relax, Arch, I wasn't the one who put sand in your thong.

Now, can you provide some evidence showing that an ammo seller ever got sued for selling a pot smoker some ammo? This would go far in advancing your argument.

Biker"

Nicely said Biker. I've smoked pot a few times I must admit, but I also made sure the firearms were secured in a hard to get to way to avoid any problem. Heck I don't think I've managed to walk half way across the living room to the safe without making a detour to the fridge only to go to sleep after lol.

First post but just had to bring this up.

Everyone in my house hold smokes pot. Except me. I won't lie. I've tried it once and didn't care for it. I've grown up around and don't mind seeing it used for recreation just like alcohol as long as it's done in a responsible manner. The point I'm going to throw out there is, I'm usually around when the smoking is going on. It doesn't bother me, but I have had people smell the scent on me. I know I would hate to be thrown out of my local shop just for smelling like weed. I know you said the 2 persons in question seemed stoned, but some people act that way naturally.

P.S. I do not condone drug/alcohol use involving anything that can be used for harming a person. That means cars too. I've had friend die from being hit by a drunk driver. He was 21.

Just my .2

Chris

Weeeeeeeelcome to the High Road.

I think it is all relative if you never drink and u drink 2 beers in 20 minutes you are gonna be buzzin good, likewise if u never smoke and you smoke a decent amount I am sure you will be more messed up than someone who smokes regularly. I think if you are coherent alert and acting "normal" than you are fine but I know that since I havent drank in a few years I wouldn't want to be shooting after a few beers and I am sure some people would have no problem doing that since they have a higher tolerance.

Smoking is bad for your lungs. Too much dope swiss cheeses the brain and strips the neurons of myelin causing 'crossed wiring'.

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Yes, it's terrible for your lungs... Although I think a bit of fact-checking is in order re: "Swiss cheese" and myelin. In fact, cannabis is widely used for treatment of MS, one of the primary diseases associated with demyelinating.

From "Therapeutic Action of Cannabinoids in a Murine Model of Multiple Sclerosis" in The Journal of Neuroscience dated 4/1/03:

Spinal cords of TMEV-infected mice showed disperse demyelination (Fig. 4a), preferentially distributed in anterior, anterolateral, and lateral columns. The number of axons affected (demyelinated plus remyelinated) in vehicle-treated and cannabinoid-treated mice was not significantly different, indicating that myelin lesions were similar in the different groups (data not shown). In spinal cords from cannabinoid-treated mice, however, there was a reduction in the number of demyelinated axons and a significant increase in the number of remyelinating axons (p < 0.001 vs vehicle for the three agonists) (Fig. 4b). In fact, the percentage of remyelinating axons in cannabinoid-treated mice was more than twofold higher than in vehicle-treated mice.

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Cannabinoids may promote long-lasting functional recovery by interfering with the inflammatory demyelinating process and by favoring myelin repair.

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Regarding the original post, I personally believe marijuana to be minimally dangerous, and I'd be much more concerned about a drunk person shooting guns or driving a car. However, If I were behind the counter, I'd probably err on the side of caution. While the man could have just been a responsible shooter picking up a box of ammo for the weekend, it's simply a prudent idea to not sell potentially dangerous items to inebriated people. Marijuana alters one's perception and awareness in a manner that allows for normal rational thought and actions, but causes extreme forgetfulness and clumsiness as well. Firearms and mind-altering substances should not be combined, period.

Does it really matter? I enjoy guns and I enjoy booze but never together. Yes, even one beer can affect your judgment. When I used to ride a motorcycle, I had the same zero-tolerance policy when riding: no booze at all.

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This has already been addressed but they were buying ammo not range time or gun and ammo

Besides, do you really want to deal with consequences of using a firearm while under the influence? Might turn self-defense into murder real quick.

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But buying ammo while under the influence would likely only result in getting .22 instead of 9mm.

You have to separate the activities and not fall into the mindset that all that is gun related is immediately shooting related.

Smelling of pungent smoke does not make you stoned.
Talking slow does not make you stoned, some people call that enunciation

This may sound crazy ... but not every person you might think is stoned really is.

There have been a few people I've known (high school, college, and the decade since) who I assumed were on drugs the first few times I heard them speak, and it turns out I was just misreading them.

Some people talk slowly, or naturally mumble, or have a speech impediment, or (smile! note that I am making a light-hearted comment based on human foibles!) a southern accent. Other people's speech patterns can strike each of us as peculiar. Some people with speech impediments (or a tendency based on their psychological makeup) who speak slowly or indistinctly, or whose eye contact is not of the eagle-eyed full-contact variety are nonetheless very bright and even (under the right circumstances) much more articulate than a quick encounter might indicate.

You may well have been right (sounds like you were going based on a couple of reasonable clues) -- just saying that sometimes it's hard to read such things.

timothy