Marriage and the 2A

Short answer, NO!!!!!!
BUT I've had 3 friends that have had RA's against them.
All 3 got their 2a rights back,after the court reviewed
the case. They all had 10+ handguns and 10+ long arms
taken away,but were returned by the court.

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the easiest and quickest way to loose your 2a in a relationship is a domestic violence coviction

Divorce and the 2A

James M wrote:

Is there anything a man can do to protect himself against a woman from obtaining a restraining order or filing domestic violence charges (for vindictive reasons)? I know the legal system should protect the man, but you don’t need a jury to file a restraining order etc.

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The mere filing of a restraining order is insufficient. Gun rights are only implicated based upon an order issued after a hearing in which the poor schlup has an opportunity to contest the baseless accusations profferred by the lying witch.

the easiest and quickest way to loose your 2a in a relationship is a domestic violence coviction

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Or a false accusation of same

Gun rights are only implicated based upon an order issued after a hearing in which the poor schlup has an opportunity to contest the baseless accusations profferred by the lying witch

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I have sat in courtrooms and heard the poor schlup give his defense
It usually goes something like this

PS "Your honor, I don't want to hurt this woman or even have any contact with her. I have never done anything to make her think I would

His Honor "Good then you should have no problem follow this RO"

My defense was imply
" Give me visitation and make it mutual and I'm grateful"
But that was before all this suspension of rights crap

Just remember
You never divorce the person you married

Don't forget that it isn't just marriage. A RO can be written for a roommate or domestic partner (I'm assuming for common-law marriages as well as boyfriend/girlfriend type situations).

As always, YMMV.

actually, the courts are designed to take everything the woman says as FACTUAL undeniable evidence. While everything the man says is automatically FALSE and wrong, EVEN if he has 8 bishops, 300 nuns, and 4 saints, and the pope backing him up.

She bangs her head on the fridge after you refuse to do the laundry after doing a double shift at work. she files domestic assult charges, she has a bruise your automatically going to be put away for a time as a criminal.

Wow! You guys have been running with the wrong women! Scary.

What about pre-nups? Does that protect your weapons at all? Or is it protection against the other half getting them?

For a wedding present my wife bought me a pair of consecutive serial # Ruger Vaquero .45's replaced the plastic grips with the White faux Ivory from Ruger and put them in a Ruger Presentation case.

Nope I don't think marriage is effecting my rights.

LOL

I made it easy for my wife. When we got married, I told her if she's ever unhappy with me, or falls out-of-love, just tell me. Nearly 25 years later, here we are.

I think that a lot of people haven't been tested enough. If you're never tested, you don't know how strong you are, or your marriage. For our part, my 35 post-accident surgeries tested our marriage. My wife knows what my firearms mean to me, and she knows that if she forces a decision, my decision is made. I would not divorce her just to keep my guns, but if she became a felon, I WOULD divorce here in a heart-beat.

Re: lies, sorry all. I believe in the truth, and the truth eventually surfaces.

...or...

Marry right, and for the right reasons...common values.

Doc2005


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Marriage has made it impossible for me to own any thing full auto.
I don't think we will ever have the money to get one .

For our part, my 35 post-accident surgeries tested our marriage

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I guess the test for my last marriage was catching her with Richard, I guess I failed the test
But on the up side I can tell you exactly what happens in an RO hearing

Don't forget that it isn't just marriage. A RO can be written for a roommate or domestic partner (I'm assuming for common-law marriages as well as boyfriend/girlfriend type situations).

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In Fla it is anyone you have shared a domicile with within the 12 months

Marrying the wrong woman is hazardous to your 2A rights.

I would like to point out that men can be just as bad as women. One can debate how manipulative each gender is. I have never been married, but have had my share of bad women. I am sure there are plenty of women who can say the same about men.

I am not a male feminist or anything, I would just like to point out that the door swings both ways. Also I would like to point out that there are plenty of female shooters who's rights could also be affected by a bad husband.

Not likely.

If the prospective spouse is not 100% on the RKBA--keep looking. I found it is a great litmus test because it is a reliable indicator and predictor of many other finer shades of compatible values and worldviews.

From where I sit, a Protestant married to a Catholic (or to a Jew, Muslim, etc) have far less of a worldview and values gap to negotiate than a RKBA person married to an anti. Not a perfect analogy, but my point being---believers can find common ground with other believers but not non-believers.

Neo-Luddite is right on the money, as far as I'm concerned. For me, the whole RKBA issue has helped me to clarify my own values and ideals and what I'm willing to compromise on and what I am not -- not just with RKBA, but with everything I hold as essential.

Besides, everything in life is a risk, including marriage.

Is getting married hazardous to your 2A rights?

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Because of Lautenberg having ANY familial or personal relationships is hazardous to your 2A rights.

What about pre-nups? Does that protect your weapons at all? Or is it protection against the other half getting them?

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I'm sure a pre-nup could be written to include your firearms as property that you get to keep if the marriage is desolved.

However, that seems to me to be a bad idea because it would put a giant red flag on your guns that her divorce attorney would pick up on and then BAM you get served with a restraining order and she starts lying about how she's afraid of you ... maybe even charges of domestic violence.

A Pre-nup is about property ... the real danger to your 2A rights comes from Lautenberg and the fact that under federal law you can lose your 2A rights for a misdemeanor.

Hi,

Just a question about your U.S. law:
Firearm purchases post-nup are conjugal property, right?

JamesM said:

Is getting married hazardous to your 2A rights?

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Absolutely (potentially).

I know that no one expects things to go sour, but from my understanding, the woman in a marriage pretty much holds the man’s 2A rights in her hands.

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It doesn't have to be "marriage." In many (most?) jurisdictions, all that's necessary is to be in an intimate relationship.

Is there anything a man can do to protect himself against a woman from obtaining a restraining order or filing domestic violence charges (for vindictive reasons)?

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Don't get involved with women. Beyond that ... go to church regularly, tithe, pray daily, and learn to go through life with your fingers and toes crossed.

I know the legal system should protect the man, but you don’t need a jury to file a restraining order etc.

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In many jurisdictions, there doesn't even have to be a hearing, the woman can swear it out and it gets issued without the male even being given an opportunity to present a defense.

Marriage, Hazardous?

Not really.

Divorce attorneys are hazardous.

Lautenberg is hazardous.

People who want to hurt you by talking your wife into lying and invoking Lautenberg are hazardous.

Immorality is hazardous. Choose your wife carefully. You're going to be with her a long time. Don't hook up with someone you know to be psycho. You won't fix that.

Socialism as pushed by the schools is hazardous. If your family isn't stable by virtue of your efforts and those of your wife, your kids can be turned against you. Breaking up families is a favorite dodge with socialism.

Select a good wife. An excellent wife. An outstanding wife.

Base your relationship on something that will matter fifty years from now.

Treat her with respect. Shower her with love.

Everything I've mentioned here can be accomplished with that part of your mental faculties that resides above the belt.

If you find yourself about to make a compromise in order to get married, make sure it's a compromise you'll be okay with for the next fifty years. If it's not, it's kinder to be honest and move on.

The hazards for today's marriage are almost entirely external. If the two of you can skip the "get all you can" as well as the "it's all about me" cultural bias, if you both understand that the socialist rules and conventions are there to hurt marriage, not help it, you'll be fine.

If you should ever need a third person to help out with a rough spot, always prefer a member of the clergy over anyone whose title begins with "doctor." I've used a rabbi before. I'm not Jewish, neither is she.

Keep it clean. Keep it honest.

It's really hard to hurt people who have clean hands.

Marriage works.

And that's why society works.

Don't get involved with women. Beyond that ... go to church regularly, tithe, pray daily, and learn to go through life with your fingers and toes crossed.

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If you should ever need a third person to help out with a rough spot, always prefer a member of the clergy over anyone whose title begins with "doctor."

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I wouldn't bet on that, considering my experience. Pastors can break confidentiality (not for "cause" as in mandatory reporting) and there is no oversight or accountability. BTDT

If you think your gun rights are safe in church - think again.

Divorce attorneys are hazardous.

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I would say that not having at attorney in a divorce is more hazardous. I would certainly tell anyone (not just people that own guns) to get a decent attorney if they were involved in a divorce.

If you should ever need a third person to help out with a rough spot, always prefer a member of the clergy over anyone whose title begins with "doctor." I've used a rabbi before. I'm not Jewish, neither is she.

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Clergy can be helpful, but I wouldn't say that they are the only ones. FWIW, when I worked in the mental health field, my pastor would frequently refer people to me or ask for help.