You just lost my vote...

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JWarren

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For the sake of discretion, I am going to omit names and other identifying specifics.


Right after lunch today, I got into an interesting conversation.


The wife of a candidate for one of our state offices came into my office in an effort to solicite my vote. The position is a non-legislative position, but I still engage anyone who seeks public office regarding their positions on a few issues key to me.

In my opinion, it gives a glimpse of the character of the person, and gives me advance warning for future positions this person may seek.

So...


I said that I assume that she knows her husband's beliefs and credentials and asked if I was correct. Of course, she said yes.


I explained to her that my vote is given based upon principles and character and I could not give her a promise of support without knowing her husband's views.


I didn't know if she would engage it, but she said that she would be happy to answer my questions. Great!

I asked her simply "What is your husband's views and position on the 2nd Amendment?"


She did great explaining that her husband was an NRA member and has an "A" rating from the NRA. She further explained that he was a life-long hunter.


Then she stepped in it...



".... But we don't think that people in Jackson should be running around with AK-47's."


I responded "Really...I should tell you that you just lost my vote-- and most likely encouraged me to campaign against you. I happen to be a lawful citizen who owns serveral AK-47 style rifles."

I further explained that I don't see how location should have ANY bearing on one's constitutional RIGHT to bear arms and defend themselves. I went on to say "Are you trying to tell me that your husband would not support the right of a lawful citizen to purchase and use a weapon because of its military orientation? I should inform you that the 2nd Amendment is not and has never been about hunting or any sporting purpose. I would expect someone who fills the position your husband seeks to FULLY understand and support that view.


I think that my response shocked her. She started stammering and backtracking.


I went a little easier on her-- realizing that she probably never envisioned in her wildest dreams entering into a conversation such as this.


I went on...

"Ma'am... I don't want you to feel like I just sand-bagged you. You're husband probably earned that NRA rating. But I feel like I need to explain to you why the question I asked matters so much..."



I said "You tell me that crime is running out of control in Jackson... Many people immediately say statements such as you... Tell me... have any of those crimes been committed with any form of military-oriented rifle? I suspect none. The logic breaks down when you are against a tool that your own statistics show is NOT the one used."


"Furthermore... Banning the tools has never prevented the crimes." Would you say that New York has as bad of a crime issue as Jackson? Well, in NY the gun laws are dramatically stricter than those in Jackson. Preventing guns do not prevent crime. All you do is make victims."


"Evil can never be banned. That is your problem. When you seek to take away the tools behind the evil, the evil still exists. Your restrictions only affect those that are not evil."


I ended with this....


"Consider this. I, as a man, HAVE the tools to leave this building and go rape a woman. With those same tools, I also have the capability of being a good father. By the logic of your original statement, I-- and all men-- should be castrated because SOME evil men CHOOSE to rape women. I do not choose to do so, and I choose not to do evil with my AK-47's. I hope you can understand why I'll not support someone who would use such flawed logic where it could potentially be acted upon in any legislative or excutive manner."


She said she will be requesting that her husband calls me this week to discuss his positions.


While I cannot be certain, I do think that her eyes have been opened a bit regarding gun control issues.


I hope so anyway.


I just thought I'd share.



-- John
 
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Thanks guys.... :)



I don't know if I got my point across as I wanted to. I hope this thread doesn't go down a political path. In my mind, it doesn't matter about politics-- it is about being ready to engage our potential candidates on these issues.

A couple weeks ago, I had this opportunity and I don't know if I did as well as I would have liked. Fortunately, I got an opportunity to speak with that candidate again and did better.

It made me think about how we should really be ready to engage and educate people-- ESPECIALLY those who seek to represent our interests-- in a non-confrontational, impactful, and pleasant manner.

Whatever the results of my recent encounter, that was my goal-- and I sincerely hope I met it. The purpose of this thread was simply to shine a light on how we can engage in "Unexpected Activitism."



All the best, my friends!


-- John
 
Uhhhhhhh, didn't Justin lock this thread a couple of minutes ago???:confused:




Nice job JWarren!!! You must tell us how your phone conversation goes w/ her husband.
 
Uhhhhhhh, didn't Justin lock this thread a couple of minutes ago???


You'd be suprised at what a few "compromising photos" can do....


Just kidding, Justin!





But seriously... it was hard to figure out what this post should be categorized as. It IS activitsm, but it it really isn't appropriate for the Activism forum because it isn't an organized plan of action. I see it as "Unscheduled Activism" and I believe we should attempt to engage in this as often as we can do so. There was concern that this could turn into a "Polical thread"-- which really wasn't what I was hoping for. It really didn't matter what postion this person sought, or what party, or whatever-- all that mattered is that there was a chance to engage one who desires to represent the people in an educational exchange supporting our cause.


I'm crossing my fingers and hoping it mattered.





-- John
 
JWarren,

Way to go. You do a great job explaining our side. Who knows, maybe you did some educating that will affect her in a positive way.... maybe not... but you explained the facts and I feel put gunowners in a positive light.
 
Excellent job, I think you explained your position very well and hopefully opened her eyes to a different point of view. If more gun owners were as civil as you in their explanations and more Antis were as willing to listen, maybe we would make more progress.
-Matt
 
very nicly put, i cant agree with you more. you where not defencefull nor rude but smart and it shows. im glad to be on a forum with so many people with so much respect compared to so many other sites.
 
Thanks guys for the encouragement. Like you, I do hope it sunk in. I really hope I can have a good conversation with her husband. It's something that would be a good idea to be ready for as our state officials start to campaign.

I don't think the woman was an "anti" though. She confided in me that she has a handgun and that she carried it while on the road. Like many scared, frustrated persons, I think she simply has seen the problems our society faces and mistakenly knee-jerked towards the wrong "causes."

I suspect that many, many people do this. I truly believe that if many of those "antis" ever spent some real thought on the problems, they would come to the same conclusions as we have. I know... I am probably being optimistic.

But I do know that if we can find a way to be gentle with some of them, we can get our toe in the door of their minds... I hope so anyway.


-- John
 
Great responses overall. I love the rape example, I'll have to try using that one myself.
 
great job but i would point this out
Tell me... have any of those crimes been committed with any form of military-oriented rifle? I suspect none. The logic breaks down when you are against a tool that your own statistics show is NOT the one used."

not the best argument because an anti could point to various incidents, and you are allowing a distinction between military and non weapons.

point being one idiot with an ak robs someone and she has a response, or can just look to other cities.

"Furthermore... Banning the tools has never prevented the crimes." Would you say that New York has as bad of a crime issue as Jackson? Well, in NY the gun laws are dramatically stricter than those in Jackson. Preventing guns do not prevent crime. All you do is make victims."

that^^^ is the argument that can't be defeated

overall, nice job you really seem to have given her something to think about
 
I bet she had no idea when she woke up this morning that she was going to walk into a buzz saw later in the day...

Glad you corrected her - lets see what the hubby has to say...
 
+1, no +10 or more!

"Consider this. I, as a man, HAVE the tools to leave this building and go rape a woman. With those same tools, I also have the capability of being a good father. By the logic of your original statement, I-- and all men-- should be castrated because SOME evil men CHOOSE to rape women.

Awesome!

Very similar to this interview:

This is one of the best comeback lines of all time. It is a portion of a National Public Radio (NPR) interview between a female broadcaster and US Marine Corps General Reinwald who was about to sponsor a Boy Scout Troop visiting his military installation.
FEMALE INTERVIEWER: So, General Reinwald, what things are you going to teach these young boys when they visit your base?
GENERAL REINWALD: We're going to teach them climbing, canoing, archery, and shooting.
FEMALE INTERVIEWER: Shooting! That's a bit irresponsible, isn't it?
GENERAL REINWALD: I don't see why, they'll be properly supervised on the rifle range.
FEMALE INTERVIEWER: Don't you admit that this is a terribly dangerous activity to be teaching children? GENERAL REINWALD: I don't see how. We will be teaching them proper rifle discipline before they even touch a firearm. FEMALE INTERVIEWER: But you're equipping them to become violent killers. GENERAL REINWALD: Well, you're equipped to be a prostitute, but you're not one, are you?"
 
GOOD GAWD ALMIGHTY! You live or work in Jackson, Mississippi and are still breathin' !!! :eek: ---must have ceramic inserts in your kevlar!! :what:

True congratulations for dealing so well with a typical member of the Political Class!!

Folks like you are the primary regret that I have for escaping the Gulf Coast after Katrina. The average guy in Mississippi has more sense than any 500 Congress Creatures. I've been watching The War on PBS just to listen to the voices of those folks from Mobile. I do miss y'all. . . .
 
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