America seems to ignore laws it doesn't like...

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Rembrandt

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Interesting isn't it....American trend seems to ignore the laws most cities don't agree with or are too hard to enforce.
- Illegals crossing the borders
- Medicinal pot offered in California vending machines
- Sanctuary Cities
- Hate crimes against Christian faith
- treason laws unenforced

- makes you wonder how long before gun laws are ignored for the same reason?
 
Hmm...

Can't think of any "hate crimes against the Christian faith" I've heard about lately, other than the guy who shot those people in Colorado. He, however, had apparently been a member of their group.

Medicinal pot in vending machines? I suppose you've seen this, because I haven't and I live near a real hippie neighborhood and a couple blocks from a "dispensary."

"Illegals crossing the borders"? Ever been to the border? Doesn't look much like the illegals are being ignored to me, when I have to stop for checkpoints and half the roads we used to take to hunting spots are closed.

treason laws unenforced? Can you cite a case?

Seems like Padilla was just sent up the river, to me.

What's your point?
 
ArmedBear said:
Can't think of any "hate crimes against the Christian faith" I've heard about lately, other than the guy who shot those people in Colorado. He, however, had apparently been a member of their group.

Medicinal pot in vending machines? I suppose you've seen this, because I haven't and I live near a real hippie neighborhood and a couple blocks from a "dispensary."

"Illegals crossing the borders"? Ever been to the border? Doesn't look much like the illegals are being ignored to me, when I have to stop for checkpoints and half the roads we used to take to hunting spots are closed.

treason laws unenforced? Can you cite a case?

Seems like Padilla was just sent up the river, to me.

What's your point?

The point I was trying make was why should anyone obey gun laws when other laws are not enforced? The trend in recent years has been to ignore laws that are difficult and costly to enforce. Perhaps the day is coming when another new gun law will be ignored like other laws.


(Pot Vending story was on Fox yesterday, New York Times was never proscecuted for leaking classified documents and information, Illegals are coming into my state by the truck loads. Stanislav Shmulevich, at Pace University, was arrested and will face "hate crime" charges for throwing a Koran into a toilet, yet Andres Serrano was never threatened with prosecution for depicting a small plastic crucifix supporting the body of Jesus Christ submerged in a glass of the artist's urine)
 
The point I was trying make was why should anyone obey gun laws when other laws are not enforced?

Because gun owners tend to be law-abiding people. There may come a time when that will change.

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- makes you wonder how long before gun laws are ignored for the same reason?
Well they ARE ignored by criminals. They are still enforced though, as long as you are otherwise law abiding and have enough money to pay hefty fines. I never hear about any weapons charges against your average street thug or robber, although maybe it's just not reported on.
 
It is theorized by some that it will eventually get to the point where there are so many laws it will be impossible to enforce them all and some will even run contrary to others. And everyone will be a criminal. An example would be that in some states if you have no permit or license to carry yet wish to you must carry openly, however if you do you will be charged with something like "disturbing the peace."

In this case there will be so many laws that the laws will become useless. Something similar to "anarchy" will likely result and the nation slides downhill.

We are seeing that start to happen.
 
speed limits.

but yeah, they are ignored, look at Cali and DC and the 2nd Amendment.
 
So wait...

You think that the guy who did "Piss Christ" should go to jail, because another guy who should not be up on charges of anything more than theft and vandalism (which he actually did) is being charged with a "crime" that goes against the Constitution?

And you want to make some point about gun laws?

Please don't try to "help" our side this way.
 
The ability for Americans to ignore unreasonable laws on the books is pretty much the only reason I haven't moved overseas.
 
Well said, Jaenak.

As for "illegal immigrants," who are they harming, merely by coming here and working? Does the mere fact that their presence is not officially endorsed by the either Small or Large Governments make them immoral? They come to work. Welfare? Healthcare? Is that what I hear you thinking? Nobody should get welfare. A red-blooded American has no more right to anyone else's money for his food and health needs than any immigrant, legal or not. Your issue is not with immigrants, it is with the welfare system. I applaud you for your detesation of socialistic wealth-redistribution systems. Now leave the immigrants alone.

Marijuana? 57,000 people die every year in car accidents, many due to abuse of alcohol, and you would like to ban marijuana? You want to prohibit the use of a drug that is abused as much as alcohol, but far less dangerous. I understand. I understand that you want to do it merely because you were dutifully taught by the state, the media, and perhaps your parents, that getting sloshed out of your gourd is totally morally fine, but Satan himself was the inventor and apostle of getting stoned out of your skull with any other chemical.

I have never been drunk, nor do I ever intend to be drunk. Nor have I ever used any non-prescribed, FDA-unapproved pharmaceuticals. But there is a gross logical disconnect in saying that a person may have 200 fifths of whiskey in his basement, but must go to prison for having 2 pounds of marijuana.

I believe that the person who steeped a representation of Christ is a blasphemous lowlife with zero taste or class. I also believe it is not the role of any government instituted by Man to uphold the laws of God. A government (volitionally-funded, of course) may only enforce the rights of men. Namely, life, liberty, and property. The tasteless clown of an "artist" has violated none of these rights of man. God has his law, which he will enforce. Men should stick to enforcing the rights of men.

-Sans Authoritas
 
Got any incidents for acts of treason? How about hate crimes against Christians? One of the mall shooters but he took his own life, but I cant think of any more.

As ArmedBear stated the border is patrolled by Federal Agents. There is barbed wire and men with firearms guarding it.

As far as sanctuary cities, what are you talking about? That is not the US but a few cities.

Medicinal pot is the business of the state, not the Feds. Don't you support the Constitution? The Pot laws are a 10th Amendment issue. The Constitution does not prohibit marijuana. I am sorry but it should take an amendment to do that, just as it did to prohibit alcohol.

Are you just looking for validation to break the law from posters here? A kind of go ahaead to break gun laws because we disagree with them?
 
Originally posted by Rembrandt: (Pot Vending story was on Fox yesterday, New York Times was never proscecuted for leaking classified documents and information, Illegals are coming into my state by the truck loads. Stanislav Shmulevich, at Pace University, was arrested and will face "hate crime" charges for throwing a Koran into a toilet, yet Andres Serrano was never threatened with prosecution for depicting a small plastic crucifix supporting the body of Jesus Christ submerged in a glass of the artist's urine)
Catching illegals is like fishing, you cannot catch them all.

As far as the Koran flushing and the Piss Christ thing. The difference is the Koran flushing was meant to harm and offend someone. The piss Christ was meant to be art, whether you like it or not. It is the intent of the person and hte desired response. One was meant to shock while the other was meant to offend someone.
 
I thought the politics forum was closed. Is any of this really gun related, or are we just going to get into another episode of the Kulturkampf?

The difference is the Koran flushing was meant to harm and offend someone

See, I'd like to explain that expression intended to degrade a religion is protected by the First, but that's not really gun related. Mods, please kill this thread.
 
My threads get locked because I write about RFID tags on firearms and this is a real discussion? Give me a break.

I know what you are getting at, and may agree on some issues...but this seems at best off topic and perhaps more of a personal political rant. And while I am enraged by illegal immigration let's be careful, because what happens to them happens to us next. .gov loves testing out things on the 'undesirables'

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As for "illegal immigrants," who are they harming, merely by coming here and working? Does the mere fact that their presence is not officially endorsed by the either Small or Large Governments make them immoral? They come to work. Welfare? Healthcare? Is that what I hear you thinking? Nobody should get welfare. A red-blooded American has no more right to anyone else's money for his food and health needs than any immigrant, legal or not. Your issue is not with immigrants, it is with the welfare system. I applaud you for your detesation of socialistic wealth-redistribution systems. Now leave the immigrants alone.

I agree with you, and I disagree. I have no problem with immigration. You are correct, our welfare-ism is largely responsible for the mass amounts of illegal immigrants pouring into the country. However, that doesn't mean that we shouldn't enforce the law. We need to have secure borders. A country without a border isn't a country at all.

Besides the fact that without a controlled border we will have a profoundly more difficult time keeping terrorists and Mexican criminals out, it destroys our culture. There is nothing wrong with an immigrant retaining pride in where they came from. It is entirely different for them to try and usurp our culture and force us to turn into them. People always point to how this is a country of immigrants, and it is. But the immigrants that came here didn't impose the culture they left behind on the rest of us. Illegals and their supporters seek to do just that.
 
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