Wanna Puke? Brady Response to NIU

Yea, Im on the email list also. It helps to keep track of them and the $$ requests.

Individually we need to tell our legislators and the news the 'other side of the story'.

So the gun show loophole is their reply to a dude who bought guns from a FFL dealer?

These libs boggle my mind with their thoughtless, herd mentality.

--jcd

Individual had a legal FOID, had actually worked as a corrections officer for about 3 weeks, had a clean background, and a long history of psych problems that nobody seemed to know about, according to Yahoo News. The price of freedom is individual responsability, and we are responable for our own safety. One lone nujob in a university auditorium, or a gang of ruthless thugs in the WalMart parking lot, your safety is your responsability. The police were only seconds away - and 5 still died.

So how do they propose to close the loophole?

So how do they propose to close the gunshow loophole?
Totally ban gunshows?

and this is activism how?

Please forgive such a naive question but what exactly is the "loophole"?

A way around a law legally I think. A lot of people buy guns privately and they can legally bypass the paperwork since most states don't require registration.

Never forget
When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

Jason70: In at least some states, transfer of firearms between private individuals does not require a NICS check. You know, the idea that private citizens can dispose of their nonliving personal property as they see fit.

That's what the "loophole" refers to. They want all transactions to go through NICS, thereby increasing the cost to citizens and putting more 4473s into that database that isn't supposed to exist.

Activism? Write your legislators and remind them that private buying and selling of personal property is not covered by the Commerce Clause, and that their continued employment at public expense depends in part on their recognizing that.

We don't have a god given right to be safe wherever we happen to be, but you do have a god given right to protect ourselfs. You look to the government to solve all societies problems you will end up with one big problem, NO FREEDOM.

They interviewed a Brady guy on the Peacock and the way he was standing, you could see a poster in the background that said "The NRA: Criminals".

I awfully hard to get the message out when media is so biased.

Thanks for the clarification, guys. I've only been to a couple of shows in my life. Didn't know if I was missing something. I knew private sales didn't have all the paperwork, just didn't realize this was so prevalent at gun shows that it was known as the GS loophole. Thanks again.

The price of freedom is individual responsability, and we are responable for our own safety.

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"Responsibility" has been a dirty word in politically correct circles a long, long time.

I'm sure that someone in Fort Wayne, Indiana can dig up enough dirt on Tovarich Helmke to discredit his marxist ass.

The 'loophole' is really any private sale of a gun between two people of a used gun. Private sales at gun shows are really pretty uncommon. The real 'loophole' is that private citizens can (in most places) sell a used gun to someone. The next step is to require that the 'transfer' take place with the so-called 'Brady' ncis check. In other words, in theory, every gun ends up being registered in a defacto manner this way. So in a few years, when someone decides to round them all up, they can.

Dear Mr. Helmke,

I absolutely agree with you.
We need more gun laws.
Actually all guns should be bannned world wide.
This will make us all safer.

Sincerely,
The Criminals of the world.
P.S. We love you

What if any practicality do these people offer in solving problems of violence using firearms? I guess if they came up with some magic technology that would sniff out every chunk of iron and throw them all into the sea that would meet their objective. Last I checked that doesn't exist. Who are these people and which planet do they live? I live in a nice upper middle class suburban city with an absurd ratio of police and feel reasonably safe BUT I will never feel la la comfortable enough to trust my security to them entirely. Do all these Brady Bunch people have armed body guards? The best defense is an equal counter. Fire with fire. As far as violent crime all these gun grabbers manage to do is add air to fire which any elementary school student knows makes a flame burn hotter. Crime is easier when the victim has less effective counter measures. SIMPLE SIMPLE SIMPLE. PLUS ( I feel their shutter) the framers of the constitution said it is a god given right that shall not be infringed.


All they want is to make the citizen vulnerable to predators and clue stick the most dangerous to liberty aren't gang bangers with illegal guns. These folks are going to turn a lot of citizens into criminals with a stroke of a pen and I believe that is the end game. Lots of laws against criminals after all.

In quoting the message, you forgot the sig line, which read:

"Donate to Support the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.

You can also mail a check to:
Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence
1225 Eye Street NW, Suite 1100
Washington, DC 20005"

Over the years, the Brady Campaign has proposed numerous common-sense measures to reduce and prevent gun violence. It may be difficult to stop 'suicide shooters' like the Northern Illinois University killer, but there are steps we can take as a nation to make us all safer.

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And by that they mean a nation of cowards and shirkers. To have no responsibility for your own protection. Somebody send a team of phsychologists to the Brady people. They are mentally unstable.

WHY DO THESE PEOPLE NOT UNDERSTAND THAT CRIMINALS DO NO OBEY THE LAW?!:banghead: How will outlawing guns make the world safer? It won't, my cousin recently moved to the UK with her fiance who is trying to get a visa to move here to OK. They were here over Christmas and he was telling me that in Brighton (where they live in the UK) he could go out and find a gun in less than an hour.

Criminals and Crazies kill, not guns.

This is so stupid. The Brady Bill didn't work, even supporters of it now concede that. We seem to forget that the cause of murder was a chemical imbalance. Yes, the cause of many of those deaths, was excessive bleeding, due to gun shot wound. We don't blame cars for killing. We don't blame balls for the injuries children receive while playing.

The anti gun people hate this concept, but if that school allowed ccw somebody would have been killed, but the numbers would be less. The result would be more dead bad guys, less dead good guys. I am not saying that training isn't necessary, it really is.

I wonder if as my deaths occur due to the anti gun lobby as occur due to the "use" of guns.

I will not give you the right to prevent me from protecting my family and myself.

I wouldn't go so far as to say that there is a loophole, as such - it's not actually "finding a way around" a law, so much as the fact that private sales are not subject to the NICS rules that Federally licensed dealers adhere to (or, not always - here in PA, even private sales of handguns have to be mediated through an FFL).

But anyway...I really like the fact that this is a total nonsequitur from the Brady people: "A person bought some guns from a licensed dealer and killed people with them. That's impossible to prevent. So let's ban private sales of firearms! If we ban them really, really hard, we can pretend we did something good. Can we have some money, too?"

Edit: and, they applaud the recent NICS bill, which they've previously said was hijacked by the gun lobby. It's awesome how they get to play both sides of the fence.

and this is activism how?

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It's not.

Post something to get organized, or do not post in this subforum. Everyone wants to rant, no one wants to get their hands dirty.