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Real Life shootout
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Larryect
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IE 7.0, Might need to update the Flash player and clean out the junk.
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www.getfirefox.com... will work much better
collateral
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I know quite a few good people who wear baggy clothes and hoodies.
Are you a troller, or just kidding, or just don't have a clue. Are you saying that seeing someone again is justification for shooting him? Of course, seeing him approach you with gun in hand is a whole other story. Which would you rather tell to the jury?
As for the woman being up to something, on what do you guys base that. The woman for all we know went into shock when she saw and heard what was going on and went into flight mode. People do not often react sensibly or how 'you think' they should react in such a situation. I can vouch for people's responses to felony situations as described below by ColoradoKevin; I have seen enough of them do things like that before. Of course she may have been an accomplice with another gun, going in to do harm to the clerk, and then thought better of it when she heard the shooting, but from that film there is little to base anything on about her except that she entered the store, then exited the store hastily if not foolishly.
As to the angle at which the clerk held the gun, I can shoot it like that and hit every time. I don't normally hold it like that, but in man down training, I certainly do hold it at odd angles, and I hit that at which I am aiming. As for whether or not the clerk needs more practice, for all we know that clerk could practice at the range weekly, and still have missed the bad guy. It is easy to sit at the keyboard of your computer and find fault with him. It would not be as easy to fill his shoes without dirtying or wetting your pants while doing so. The moving adversary, the moving clerk, the excitement, the fear, the adrenalin, the pucker-factor, all probably played an important part in this one.
I will say he was foolish not to have taken cover. Many people, armed people, make the mistake of using the gun as a shield - or at least subconciously perceiving it to be just that. It is not a shield or a magic talisman that will prevent harm to you. It is a tool to use to protect yourself by harming your adversary, and therefore only indrectly acts as protection.
All the best,
Glenn B
CJ
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OK, that's got to be one of the most intelligent posts I've ever seen on here! After seeing so many 'I'd have done THIS', or 'I'd never let anyone get away with Y, my ego is too big!', this has got to be one of the best thought-out tactics I've seen offered up on here!
I know quite a few good people that smoke pot. Doesn't mean they aren't going to get some SERIOUS attention for walking down the street with a joint. I just detest this "Don't judge a book by it's cover" mentality. If you WANT to look like a crook, then you can, but why are you surprised when you get attention?
If you want to look like a hippie, why are you surprised people want to smell you to see if you have been smoking? If you want to be a hooker, why are you surprised when you get hassled by police?
Bikers wear leather because it projects an image. So does everyone else - including me... white shirt and tie during the day, shorts and Hawaiian shirt after hours. What image do you want to portray?
I'm with markbo on that. People know what kind of image they're projecting. If they act like they don't they are either a fool or they're just looking for something to whine about. And it's foolish not to take someone's appearance into account when your sizing them up. It's all you have to go on.
Tarvis was pretty close to what I imagine I would do, but I see it as try to duck and run but have one of those feet go one way, body the other, fall flat on my face and scramble for cover while trying to draw my gun.
If I was the cashier I would fire as soon as I saw the gun, as I would be in fear for my life, and empty the clip into him. But I have more range time than that guy.
If I was the cashier I would fire as soon as I saw the gun, as I would be in fear for my life, and empty the clip into him. But I have more range time than that guy.
Snake Eyes
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Glenn makes an important point: It is very important to practice, and practice realistically.
Which is why I always try to wet myself at the range.
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It would not be as easy to fill his shoes without dirtying or wetting your pants while doing so.
The fact is that many people do inded wet themselves or dirty themselves under similar circumstances as was this shootout. The fact is also that there are many keyboard cowboys on this site and other gun related sites, who have all the macho answers on how it should have been done, but who have never in fact been in any type of confrontation more than a spanking from mommy or daddy in their lifetimes. The fact is also that firearms range practice does not necessarily mean you will hit that at which you aim once the pucker factor sets in.
If you care to belittle my firearms expereince, and my training experience and suggestions, it is your choice; but I will say I did not find it amusing, nor helpful to this forum, in how you did so.
Respectfully,
Glenn B
It would not be as easy to fill his shoes without dirtying or wetting your pants while doing so.
That was truly tasteless, and in essence ridiculous whether or not you actually think I made a good point.
The fact is that many people do inded wet themselves or dirty themselves under similar circumstances as was this shootout. The fact is also that there are many keyboard cowboys on this site and other gun related sites, who have all the macho answers on how it should have been done, but who have never in fact been in any type of confrontation more than a spanking from mommy or daddy in their lifetimes. The fact is also that firearms range practice does not necessarily mean you will hit that at which you aim once the pucker factor sets in.
If you care to belittle my firearms expereince, and my training experience and suggestions, it is your choice; but I will say I did not find it amusing, nor helpful to this forum, in how you did so.
Respectfully,
Glenn B
Funderb
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did you see the video of the man who accidentally shot his son?
sad, hate to see that kind of thing.
sad, hate to see that kind of thing.
Several of my running buddies are Cop's and not even I trust their trigger control.
It just goes to show that many have no situational awareness. Anyone who walks straight through the path of a felony stop in progress is surely lost in their own little world without having any regard to whats going on around them.
I once seen a guy walk right into the path of a moving vehicle - like it wasn't even there. Some people are just all caught up in their daily life and pay no attention to whats around them.
Chris
As to the angle at which the clerk held the gun, I can shoot it like that and hit every time. I don't normally hold it like that, but in man down training, I certainly do hold it at odd angles, and I hit that at which I am aiming.
Glen, I have taken part, and taught training were shots needed to be fired, where your body was, well that is just were you landed, the sights are always the sights, sideways, or upside down. Perfect example, shooting under a car.
The Lady was in all probability focused on a path... and when a battle broke out? well she just froze in motion, and just continued on, it is quite common to see drivers do the same thing, pick a turning angle, and when it was obvious to a watcher the situation had changed! they just hung on to the wheel, and continued on, regardless.
Glen, I have taken part, and taught training were shots needed to be fired, where your body was, well that is just were you landed, the sights are always the sights, sideways, or upside down. Perfect example, shooting under a car.
The Lady was in all probability focused on a path... and when a battle broke out? well she just froze in motion, and just continued on, it is quite common to see drivers do the same thing, pick a turning angle, and when it was obvious to a watcher the situation had changed! they just hung on to the wheel, and continued on, regardless.
ZeSpectre
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Amen to that. Had a call in an apartment complex where we had 5 officers, gun drawn, facing an apartment and about to do a forced entry. The door to the next apartment opens and this guy comes out into the hallway with a bag of trash and starts to push by me to go to the garbage chute at the end of the hallway!!!
I grab the guy and shove him back into his apartment and tell him to stay inside.
Do you know he tried to sue for "police brutality"?!?
With a head that thick maybe we should have used HIM to batter down the door.
tinygnat219
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Sorry I had to name you in the suit, but my lawyer said it was necessary.
UltraFudd
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The clerk couldn't get much range time. He's a convicted felon. Must have learned that sideways hold from his last stay at the crossbar hilton.
Clerk arrested by MPD for felon in possession, DA decided the shoot was righteous and the weapon belonged to the store, not the clerk, so he was released, no charges.
Clerk arrested by MPD for felon in possession, DA decided the shoot was righteous and the weapon belonged to the store, not the clerk, so he was released, no charges.
Fred Fuller
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And with that happy ending, this one rides off into the sunset...
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