Are you a cook or a rifleman - 9 shots will tell
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I have been to two Appleseeds. I found them extremely helpful, as did the other participants I talked to. The setting can be a big factor. I went to the Steel City range in Birmingham- great facilities. I got to shoot @ 400 yards and held a group aroung 18"x 18" with ammo I loaded. When I saw the target out there my response was "Yeah, RIGHT!" When I saw my target I was walking a foot off the ground.
There were shooters from noobs to some military types. At my first Appleseed I was a Rifleman. The second, I regressed to Cook. I find I have to keep shooting or I drop back. But we knew that!
I ordered a bunch of the 25m targets from the site. They save a lot of walking out to 100m and back!
There were shooters from noobs to some military types. At my first Appleseed I was a Rifleman. The second, I regressed to Cook. I find I have to keep shooting or I drop back. But we knew that!
I ordered a bunch of the 25m targets from the site. They save a lot of walking out to 100m and back!
Take my pies out of the oven!
Ummmmm.....wasn't Steven Seagal's character in Under Siege both a cook and a high speed, low drag, tacticool, officer bucking, knife chucking, microwave bomb-making, Busey killing, Tommy Lee Jones thwarting SEAL?
....so see...you can be both cook a and rifleman.
It doesn't have to be a binary proposition. Further, I consider myself a fairly decent hand in the kitchen and I wouldn't want to preclude myself from rifleman status, simply by way of my affinity for imported prosciutto, fine cheeses, good drink and other assorted fresh, high quality ingredients.
In all seriousness, I am considering the September dates in Illinois.
Ummmmm.....wasn't Steven Seagal's character in Under Siege both a cook and a high speed, low drag, tacticool, officer bucking, knife chucking, microwave bomb-making, Busey killing, Tommy Lee Jones thwarting SEAL?
....so see...you can be both cook a and rifleman.
It doesn't have to be a binary proposition. Further, I consider myself a fairly decent hand in the kitchen and I wouldn't want to preclude myself from rifleman status, simply by way of my affinity for imported prosciutto, fine cheeses, good drink and other assorted fresh, high quality ingredients. In all seriousness, I am considering the September dates in Illinois.
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MIL-DOT
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What are the dimensions of the largest target ? When my upgraded scope gets here from Bushnell, i'd like to try this with my Beeman pellet rifle.I suspect i'll do acceptably well with it.
sixgunner455
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You can only have seconds when you come back through the line. You can't just have 2 plates, Skippy.
WayneConrad
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A bit over 5".MIL-DOT said:
Try it with iron sites, too. The rifleman score is plenty doable without optics. Our grandfathers were expected to do it.
By the way, we've got a 10 meter/yard version of this, that you pellet rifle guys might find handy. See attached.
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jrfoxx
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I prefer mine with that greenish-grey tint only found on Navy ships. Secret recipe.....
I want to go to an Appleseed here, but the only one I find in the state is 2hrs away, near the Idaho border, and with my work schedule, and only having 1 car at the moment, I'm outta luck. Too bad, I hear great things about it.
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cmidkiff
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Buzzz... wrong answer. Instead of considering yourself out of luck, find some like minded people in your area and a place to shoot... Appleseed will come to you!
Seriously, nearly all Appleseed events are organized by people just like you who are willing to put forth a little effort to make it happen. Sign up on the forums at rwva.com, and post that you want to set up an Appleseed... you'll find no end of people willing to help make it happen!
Yup. I just got home and tried it out in my backyad at 50' with my Beeman R7. Very akward breaking the barrel open while prone, and I had to get out of position each time to do so, so that'll take some practice. A "41" with a peep sight and no sling while sitting or prone. It's a start. Thanks for posting.
>P.S. To those who think this is anything like really shooting at 300 yards, I say >pooh to you. This test is fun and shows you where your weaknesses are >in-so-much-as wobbling around and how to use a sling but wind and range as >quite a larger challenge that pretending at 45-50ft.
I don't know holding hard is holding hard. I'm willing to bet hard core small bore guys could be shooting 10's and X's in an across the course high power match with a little coaching in no time
I don't know holding hard is holding hard. I'm willing to bet hard core small bore guys could be shooting 10's and X's in an across the course high power match with a little coaching in no time
ZeSpectre
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I tried this (the up close simulation) a while ago and managed to shoot a fairly consistant 40-41 score with an SKS and William's "firesights" installed.
So feeling fresh and full of confidence I tried the real thing and the best I could pull off was a 35 (though I managed to keep it 30 or higher for everything).
It's a fun simulation but the real deal does have more challenge.
So feeling fresh and full of confidence I tried the real thing and the best I could pull off was a 35 (though I managed to keep it 30 or higher for everything).
It's a fun simulation but the real deal does have more challenge.
un_lucky
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I think I'm missing something. I printed the targets off and set them up at 50' . This seemed pretty close to me. If that's the way you do it I was shooting 42s and 44s with a revolver.
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Whats the general demographic been at most of the Appleseeds that yall have attended? Did it consist of adults, students, both? I went to one awhile back and kind of felt like I was at cub scout camp. The only other people there who were older than me (I'm 23) were the moms and dads who drove their kid to the range. From what I gathered, they plugged it pretty hard at the local cub scout troop. Anyone else have a similar experience? Just curious. Oh and by the way, I'm still a cook...:banghead:
note to self be very polite to un-lucky
seems to me the 10 ring on a 50 yard pistol target is little more than 3" so if you're cleaning that little dude on the 50' promo target I'd say you're holding pretty hard.
I find my scores go up on full size targets - I use scaled MR and SR targets to practice at home. My eyes have a devil of a time finding that little dude on the bottom.
As for demographics I spoze it varies from shoot to shoot. Pictures I've seen have mostly been adults of varying ages.
seems to me the 10 ring on a 50 yard pistol target is little more than 3" so if you're cleaning that little dude on the 50' promo target I'd say you're holding pretty hard.
I find my scores go up on full size targets - I use scaled MR and SR targets to practice at home. My eyes have a devil of a time finding that little dude on the bottom.
As for demographics I spoze it varies from shoot to shoot. Pictures I've seen have mostly been adults of varying ages.
misANTHrope
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I don't even own a rifle.
I expect to pick up a couple lowers at the fun show next weekend, though.
I expect to pick up a couple lowers at the fun show next weekend, though.
leadcounsel
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Cool. Marked for later.
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Huge difference between shooting scaled targets & shooting at "for real" distances.
Steady hold, breathing, trigger pull, all that matters, no matter the distance, but schwacking the bull at 400m, with an M16A1 & open sights is a whole 'nother ball game.
Used to shoot on my Battalion's small bore team. Temperature & especially wind become big factors. We spent 2 or 3 days/wk, sweating on that range, for a month straight, getting ready for a shoot.
We shot 10 rds, rapid fire, mag switch standing at 100m, same drill sitting at 200m, same drill kneeling at 300m (might have the 200 & 300m positions flip/flopped) & 20 rounds, slow fire at 400m.
That kinda shootin' is TOUGH, fellas, but some of y'all already know that
Steady hold, breathing, trigger pull, all that matters, no matter the distance, but schwacking the bull at 400m, with an M16A1 & open sights is a whole 'nother ball game.
Used to shoot on my Battalion's small bore team. Temperature & especially wind become big factors. We spent 2 or 3 days/wk, sweating on that range, for a month straight, getting ready for a shoot.
We shot 10 rds, rapid fire, mag switch standing at 100m, same drill sitting at 200m, same drill kneeling at 300m (might have the 200 & 300m positions flip/flopped) & 20 rounds, slow fire at 400m.
That kinda shootin' is TOUGH, fellas, but some of y'all already know that
scrat
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omg this is so cool i wish i saw this earlier i went shooting last weekend. im going to print out a bunch of them.
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While true in theory, I'm going to have to say the little things like wind play a teensy-weensy more of a factor at 500 yards.
I'm also pretty sure that anyone who has shot at Camp Lejeune's Delta range on a blustery day, watching the target line range flag, the 200 yard range flag and the 300 yard range flag blowing in different directions, and the RSO coming over the microphone and instead of telling you the recommended windage say "you guys are on your own on this one" would agree.
I agree about the real deal. I cap out at 180's at 25m at Appleseeds but got rifleman on the KD. In my opinion, using irons at close range is more difficult than at real distances. Why? It's easier for me to keep focus on the front site at longer ranges. At 25m I must fight the natural reflex to shift focus ever so slightly from the front sight to the target. With 10 sighters at each distance on the KD range, ballistics and wind were less of a problem than the focus issue.
However, I can relate to...
Except it was my 2nd and 3rd Appleseeds.
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