A "Harry Potter" Actor Stabbed to Death

Avada kestabra!

uk roe hunter said:

...there was no experiment...

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I was using the phrase in a rhetorical sense, not literal. Of course there was "no experiment." Any way, whenever politics are involved, the idea of "an air of intelligent decision making" may pretty well be dismissed offhand since I have NEVER seen politics being conducted that way.

"In politics, stupidity is not a handicap." ~~Napoleon Bonaparte

As mentioned, use/carry of guns for defense has only been a comparatively recent illegailty. Since 1920 firearm certificates had to be issued for guns other than shotguns, but self defence was considered a 'good reason'. In 1945 the Home Sec said words to the effect of 'that a man can own a revolver for defence is no longer acceptable'. However, various Chief Counstables wouldn't toe the line (quite rightly IMO) and so it was added to a piece of legislation (I think the Criminal Justice Act) in the 50s that it's a crime to own a gun with intention to harm another. Still today, a surprising number of people are giv en permission to carry handguns for self defence. Since cartidge handguns are Section 5 prohibited weapons, this needs permission from the Home Sec on a case-by-case basis. FACs for this aren't handed out like sweets but they are handed out, usually in response to a specific threat against people who are considered trustworthy and skilled; former Chief Countsables, judges, some of the Paras involved with Bloody Sunday etc. There are a lot of personal protection pistols in Northern Ireland -- more than target pistols, and they don't have a handgun ban.

It was not uncommon for the richer folk to carry pistols for defence until about WW1. That and sword-canes, shotgun-canes, airgun-canes and such. Poorer folk generally couldn't afford guns.

I also find the whole thing on Black immigrants causing all the crime to a be a bit racist. But then, I look at the demographics for US crimes, realize that it's pretty much a fifth generation problem here, and really can't disagree with you on it

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lol I didnt read this correctly first time

"If you are a person who carries a knife, think about the consequences and, for my son's sake, don't do it."

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......... When are people going to realize that bad things happen and they can't BAN everything dangerous or potentially dangerous to meet their own futile attempt to make heaven on earth. I understand the grief accompanied by the loss of a loved one, but that certainly does not justify stripping your countrymen of their rights...I know we're talking about England here, but England is one of the many testbeds that U.S. politicians use to validate their inane laws.

There is no sense in taking a sane, responsible person's God given right to defend themselves away, in ANY circumstance....okay, rant over.

Tommygunn said:

In the United States, a number of studies have indicated that areas with less gun control and more individual ownership of guns, the murder rate is lower than where guns are strictly controled or even banned. Washington D.C. is an example of one city where guns are nearly 100% banned, yet that city has an inordinantly high murder rate. While some people debate these statistics, I believe enough has been shown to conclude there is some association between gun control and crime rates, and it does not argue well for those who believe in gun control as a cure for crime.

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Well, while it does work to demonstrate that the banning of firearms does not seem to work to lower an existing murder rate, it's important always to keep in mind that correlation != causation. It is entirely possible (and likely, even) that most of those locations which have both a high murder rate and a ban on firearms, had the high murder rate before they had the ban on firearms. That is to say, it is not established by these statistics that banning firearms would lead to a high murder rate. (Except, historically, by governments.)

Stating the truth isnt racist. Well maybe it is here, but I hoped it wasnt in America

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No...it is here as well....but we can't really talk about that. One common belief here, is that the KKK is still a bigger threat to the black community than black on black violence....among many other similar beliefs.

The UK has degenerated into one huge Monty Python skit. An empire that produced some of the greatest hunters, fiercest warriors and crack shots in the world has degenerated into a mosh pit of purile holligans who are treated like manchildren by a noxious socialst government.

Although of course these stories are fiction, the idea of a gentleman pocketing a revolver in the 1880s to defend himself was not fiction.

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Indeed, the famouns "British Bulldog" big bore revolver was one of the first modern CCW firearms. It was specifically designed for a gentleman to carry in his pocket, and to have enough knock-down power to stop an attacker. None of this was illegal in the UK of the Victorian age, and the demand for these revolvers was so great the Belgian factories did a good business making millions of knockoffs. There was even an "American Bulldog" variation.

pistols were quite a rarity and used for target shooting mainly.

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That's a popular myth in the UK nowadays, but history doesn't bear it out. The production figures, for one thing, show a huge demand for short guns in the UK. During WWI officers often brought their own personal sidearms to the war, and brought them back afterwards. It wasn't until the Russian revolution spurred terror of an uprising from the masses that Parliament started cracking down on civilian arms. As usual the anti-gun laws were driven by paranoia. Today's Brit would probably be shocked to know TE Lawrence had a personal handgun range in his back yard and a very nice collection. Heck even Oscar Wilde packed heat and threatened to shoot Queensberry in 1893 after being threatened with a beating: "I do not know what the Queensberry rules are, but the Wilde rules are to shoot on sight."

problems with imigrents?wow seems like here doesent it?

Another thing regarding self defense in Europe... It has been well demonstrated and documented here in the U.S. that wherever a state has made concealed carry legal and available to the average good citizen, street crime has gone down, and inversely, wherever a state or local government has made gun ownership a crime, all crime has skyrocketed, particularly murder rates.

It is no longer a question whether or not statistics support gun grabbing arguments. They not only don't support them, they totally refute them. Consequently, perhaps Great Britain could learn a lesson from across the pond, and try restoring the right to firearms and self-protection.

problems with immigrants?wow seems like here doesent it?

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There they use knives here it is liquor and a vehicle, But you don't see those get banned,

The UK has gone ban crazy recently, fire extinguisher for fire hazards, pointy knives, a mandatory speed for cars (that was an idea), For the THR members over there there is NO hope of getting your rights back at this rate, and that is the sad thing.

CUERVO - "England's ban spread to Australia and is threatening Canada, and there are plenty of US politicians looking at it for here. Throw in some "free" health care and social security system that will pay you not to work, and the majority will be kept happy, which is all that is necessary."

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It's called "Liberal Fascism." Same thing happening here with the same mind set of our liberal "friends," and RINOs. Been being put into place since 1900, here and in England.

L.W.

ban guns and the gun crime goes up
ban knives, and the stabbings go up.

the politicians will only keep adding more bans and restrictions, and the problems will keep coming.

who was it that said politicians will fill a boat with so many good intensions it will sink?

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its sad to see britan in a downward spiral like this, true they ARE our allies,

in my opinion the best thing for America is to resign from the UN, and build a 20ft high wall along the border.

our health care, unemployment and wellfare system works against us sometimes, you give illegal's free money just because they dont have a job, its gonna cause problems.

just goes to show you, you put out birdfeeders with "free seed" on your back porch, youre gonna have to put up with a lot of bird sh**

it just makes me wonder, what will the future hold for America and gun-ownership?

im not talking about next year, or 5 years from now, but 50 or 60 years from now...

However, since England has outlawed defensive guns, the increasing knife use by criminals will surely lead to a knife ban of some sort, which will then lead to a ban of kitchen knives, screwdrivers, baseball bats and hammers.

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Fists will probably be banned after that.

"When wands are outlawed, only outlaws will have wands"