CA assembly passes AB2062

And you can't understand why California is in the fix it's in?

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No, I absolutely understand why. It's because you call this:

gun rights activists who are actually involved in the fight to retain our rights.

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and this

The important thing is to keep fighting, voting, writing, and maybe marching for our rights

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action.

Because that stuff is working so well for Cali gun owners. Guess what? Next year all your bullets will have little numbers on them. But hey, keep writing.

No one is shooting. That's your problem.

Do you have a link to a news article? I see that last Wednesday the "smart gun" law passed, but there's been no news update on this one. Neither CRPA or CalNRA has anything on this bill. Did the Assembly have a special vote on a Saturday? I'm just wondering if it hasn't hit the news, yet.

-John

No one is shooting. That's your problem.

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Staying put, voting, writing, and engaging in activism is an unacceptable response to you? Shooting is appropriate?

Shooting who or what?

What are you actually talking about?

It's horrible that this bill was passed. This is not just a blow to California gun owners, this a blow to this nation and to the Constitution. What we have here is politicians who are FAR from being servants to the people and I don't know if that can be voted, written, or called away. Politicians seem to be a self-replicating virus. Get rid of some and another virulent strain comes. Soon the virus is resistant to drugs (Voting, writing, calling). This is not a liberal or conservative issue. There are plenty of politicians from both so called "sides" that would love to snatch every gun you have. Some just don't SAY it so much. Beware the quiet ones. You can best believe these "public servants" with an agenda will not stop. We must remember that they do not operate off of logic or reason. They operate off of ignorance and emotion and that cannot be reasoned with. I wonder if gun owners across the nation could collectively form a class-action lawsuit against ALL politicians that deny or seek to deny our NATURAL-BORN as well as CONSTITUTIONAL rights?

I know this is serious biz,and until you guy's can boot out those politicians...c'mon over to Nevada,you can come shoot with us!!!

From what the original poster wrote, only the Assembly has passed the bill. It sounds like the State Senate must also vote on it. Also, since this is a tax levy ($3/box), doesn't it require a 2/3rds vote to pass?

Inquiring minds want to know.

-John

You can track many of these issues at Calguns.net. If you are a California resident, bookmark that site. And tell a friend.

I think that exposing the idiocy of our lawmakers can only serve as a warning to other states - these ideas will end up in your state someday, since they will be 'proven' to work in one of the largest states.

I just bought 2000 rounds of Fiocchi FMJ in .45ACP in anticipation of this idiocy passing.

Seeing the once great state of California rot away like this is sickening. Do any remember when California was as free, as open as Texas? Do any remember when it was as "wild" as any of the rest of the West?
I want that back. I want that freedom. I want it for all states, even "lost causes".

Again, much thanks for the moral support from our fellow gun owners. Yes, California is a mess. I'm old enough to remember when it was still a great place (just back in the 70's even). At least you can still own guns here. But the push is on. Democrats smell blood in the water this next election and are pushing forward their totalitarian agenda.

Here's something to chew on and a good reason to persevere: The current Heller case that could start reforms across the U.S. started in Washington D.C, a place with the strictest gun laws in the nation. If things can be reversed there, they can be reversed here. Lets hope SCOTUS gets it right or we're all in trouble.

Fight on.

Again, much thanks for the moral support from our fellow gun owners.

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Seconded.

The current Heller case that could start reforms across the U.S. started in Washington D.C, a place with the strictest gun laws in the nation. If things can be reversed there, they can be reversed here.

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Help is on the way.

Once this legislation is proven to be a complete and utter failure, does anyone think it will help the pro-gun side? Just looking for a silver lining.

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Yes, it passed the Assembly. It still would have to pass the Senate and be signed by governor (or left unsigned, we don't have a pocket veto in CA).

The state Senate is a bit more deliberative due to longer terms. Given there are term limits in CA, every legislator (esp assemblymen) throws out all sortsa crap just to show activity. Unfortunately it sticks too often.

Fortunately CA is broke or near-broke (I should say the 'government' is broke/near broke, because a fair fraction of businesses are doing fine) and a bill like this requires $$ that ain't there. The author of the bill may even know this and threw out the bill just the same so he could get attention.

Remeber that assembly seats are population driven, so the great concentrated areas of people looking for social programs etc are going to be emphasized.

We unfortunately also don't have a viable Republican party in CA anymore. Quite a few middle-of-the-road, fairly conservative ordinary folks just won't eat the CA Republican dog food anymore - regardless of national party stances, war, etc. such sections of the voter base don't like their views on choice/abortion and "family" (codeword for "let's bash the gays") and see the CA Repubs being directed by some Orange County bible thumpers. This swath of voters - esp the educated suburban professionals - have been continually alienated and dislike the CA Repubs so much they're willing to pay higher taxes (by voting for budget busting Dems) - and yet this swath of voters is something the Republicans need to (and used to) *own*.

For the last decade the CA R's have essentially taken 'affirmative action' from the Democrats and traded competitiveness for 'safe seats' in the minority.
And right now, as the state is broke and needs fiscal discipline, segments of the CA R. leadership are jumping up & down about gay marriage or whateve they wanna call it, as well as some abortion-related ballot measure. Talk about not having a clue.

For those thinkking that gunnies in California don't fight, you're wrong. Go look on Calguns.net. We've driven bulldozers thru CA's assault weapons laws, and people are acquiring ARs and AKs with grips that are just slightly odd looking. We cornered the DOJ Firearms Division into agreeing to freeze the list of banned-by-name assault weapons - protecting SKSes, Mini14s, and M1As. We've identified ways of bypassing the Roster of 'safe handguns'.

Last year's microstamping and lead ammo bans were our own fault - due to idiocy of GOC (Gun Owners of CA) leader Sam Parades who created some drama around an F&G commissioner at precisely the wrong time (bill signing season). We had these bills' vetoes "in the bag" and he pried defeat from the jaws of victory.

But with many of these actions and some political embarrasment we helped downsize the DOJ Firearms Division into a Bureau; its leader (Randy Rossi) conveniently retired at the same time, and its chief gun-tech-cop (and proved idiot & perjurer) Supervisory Special Agent Ignatius Chinn was forced to leave about 8 months later - and is now a SFPD cop undergoing field training at the age of 56.

We do have a higher threshold for the fight since we unfortunately don't have an RKBA in our state constitution and it would be very unwise for us, given CA politics and cost of ballot drives, to try to get one in - when we have Parker/Heller coming up and some very interesting ways of getting incorporation/14th issues solved. Courts have generally been our friends on gun issues in CA except for the ill-fated Silviera case filed by a near-incompetent Sacramento attorney Gary Gorski (that cost NRA $$$$$ to save it from a total disaster).

Given successful Parker/Heller outcome - assisted by some derivatives - the firearms landscape in CA will look much different in 5 years. Some of the stupid laws may stay on the books but will be essentiall voided on a practical basis: i.e., assault weapons permits (for example) may well become shall-issue. These laws may not get much challenge - because if enforced they do get challenged (winnably) so the practical outcome is a bunch of dead unenforced laws on the books. Any win, even an 'impure' ugly one, is a win.

BTW without Federal Parker/Heller intervention, those bitching about CA laws and hiding out in their own state would have only 10-15 year window before some of CA-style antigun laws took hold.

The NRA leadership and its CA attorneys are very active in CA. I know these folks: they're bright and hardworking and can win; what they need is even more engaged folks on the phones, on the fax, etc. What they also need is for more folks to realize that some antigun doofus on a school board this year the same doofus 5-7 years later running for an assembly seat, and so he needs to be stopped early.



Bill Wiese
San Jose CA

Bill;

What's your assessment of the likelihood of this bill passing the state Senate?

Also, reading details on Calguns, it looks like some of the provisions were stripped out of the bill at the last minute. Do you have any info on what the current state of the bill is? Was the $3 tax taken out? If not, isn't a 2/3rds vote necessary to increase taxes under Prop 13?

Also, can you point me to some more backstory on what happened with Sam Paredes?

Thank you.

-John C.

Thanks for the facts BW. I'm sure it helps those outside the state have some idea of what actually we "patriots" are accomplishing in this diminishing but still shiny state.

Please, if you have nothing nice to say..... -- You know, like you would on the "High Road"?

Thank you to all those who encourage others to fight for themselves. We are not looking for pity, just some actual intelligent discussion on how/what we can do to make this place better.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/search.php?searchid=2057307

Justin

Fellows, when we bash each other we lose the only real advantage we have and that is our unity.

In my opinion, California is broken. Not 'money broke' but just broken. It has an immigration problem that is worse than most countries. English is becoming a second language (if it already hasn't happened) and the government is tied to expenditures that exceed its income.

I seriously doubt that there is any realistic plan to address any of these issues or the thousand other issues in California. It may not even be possible to put such a plan together, much less implement it.

The legislators must give the appearance of doing something about the state's social and financial ills. They can't do anything meaningful and everything they have tried has not only failed, but made things worse.

In the face of abject failure and a hopeless situation, they have turned to 'doing something about crime'. In the overall scheme of things, it won't matter that their actions are meaningless. To the average Joe, at least they are doing something (as opposed to sitting on their thumbs drawing fat paychecks in Sacramento). Guns are their target. Guns are just 'things'. Things can't defend themselves, as they have no will of their own. This is where the idiocy of waiting periods / cooling off periods came from. They don't work and they have never worked but they give the uninformed masses the feeling that someone is doing something and that 'something' is essentially free. It costs money to clean up slums and build prisons. No smart politician is going to tell people that they are going to have to give up even more of their income, not if that politician wants to get re-elected.

Fight the politicians and their idiot supporters but be aware of what you are really fighting. They don't care about guns but they do care about how the voters see them. I honestly believe that the anti-gun people in the California government are just using that 'anti gun' path to hide the hopelessness of the over all situation and their own ineptitude / incompetence.

I'm not a conspiracy nut, I'm just realistic. The politicians know that the gun control measures they are taking will have no effect on crime. They also know that they can't fix any of the stuff that is actually broken, so they have to do something that the 'great unwashed' will accept. Do not underestimate the politicians. Do not buy the diversion and their smoke screen. If they can keep everyone fired up about crime and gun control, then they have you precisely where they want you.

Bill.

It seems that with all the gang stuff that is all over the TV, it gives fuel for all the stupid laws that will do nothing. Like England, common sense went out the window.

The guys that I have ran into from northern Cali. seemed to be "normal". I guess southern Cali is to the whole state like Chicago is to Illinois.

Cali won't be able to be saved until you remove all the illegal immigrants who automatically vote anti-gun Democrat(yes I know legally they can't vote but they do anyway).

After they are gone, the actual Californians will be able to have a decent election where decent candidates can run.

John C said:

Bill,
What's your assessment of the likelihood of this bill passing the state Senate?

Also, reading details on Calguns, it looks like some of the provisions were stripped out of the bill at the last minute. Do you have any info on what the current state of the bill is? Was the $3 tax taken out? If not, isn't a 2/3rds vote necessary to increase taxes under Prop 13?

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I'm unsure of the latest rewrites. I believe further tweaks could occur.

Not all taxes are taxes under Prop 13, either.

There is a chance it could be beaten in Senate, we shouldn't lose hope. But I don't think it'd be signed by the Governor - unless our side screws up again.

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Also, can you point me to some more backstory on what happened with Sam Paredes?

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Sam Paredes won a battle to lose the war. For some lead ammo vs condor matters he got a group of Republican legislators led by Dick Hollingsworth to agitate to have an F&G commisioner (Hanna) kicked out by the governor. The gov kinda needed to do this since there was all the budget dance going on.

But it was also bill signing season, and a related (bad) lead ammo bill and the microstamping bill were up for signature. We know that they both were recommended for veto by his leg relations staff (i.e. prepared veto letters by staff already in place). But while the Gov gave in and gave Hanna the boot, he also 'bit back' and signed *both* these bills just to show he wasn't to be trifled with. He doesn't know the difference between NRA and GOC and CRPA etc.: he just knows some 'gun guys' caused him trouble at an inconvenient time.

What Paredes was too stupid to understand was that the existence of F&G commission concerns about lead was a great cover for the gov to NOT sign overbroad legislation. The Hanna situtation, if necessary to have happened, could have been made to happen at a much less sensitive time.

Paredes may have done this less to try to help - albeit stupidly - than as an "I have relevance" ego trip. Sam & GOC can only play in a few Republican legislator's offices because he has no traction outside certain areas.

Fortunately the microstamping bill had some language inserted by some friendly party that will likely render it unimplementable due to patent/intellectual property & sole source concerns. The DOJ BoF won't have the time, budget or skills to play patent examiner etc. - and if they do try to push regulations trying to implement microstamping, these can readily be challenged at the OAL (Office of Admin. Law) level and stop their adoption.

For more info on Sam Paredes/GOC screwup last year, a blow-by-blow timeline analysis on Calguns (and his nonresponse via a third party):

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=73228

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=74140



Bill Wiese
San Jose CA

There are plenty of good people in CA, but the problem is that they're all in the closet. For some stupid reason men here have no problem telling others that there were two guys with them in their bed last night or riding a bike wearing a spandex outfit that would make Richard Simmons blush but are scared ****less to say in public that they went to the range yesterday. There's a lot of fuddism too--all about the priveledge to own expensive toys to go play popgun games with and zero demand for rights to carry a lifesaving tool on one's person outside the house. Any religion or belief (outside of one, that is) and any kind of behavior is offensive to criticize but yet we gunowners have never sued anyone for lumping us in with gang members, psychos, etc. when we very well should. Combine that with absolutely zero outreach to the Indian/Paki, Hispanic, and Asian populations there is little growth and very little political vocalization of any significance.

THAT is the problem that allows the stuff in Excramento to pass. There's apparently a few people in CA who don't like me when I point that out.

I smell a troll.

Billwiese -

Great analysis. Thanks.

fingerprinted every time you buy ammunition? wow.

I guess it's time to start reloading, glad I live across the country from California, could never stand to live in a state like that. I don't think the residents of CA will learn they need real guns for their own protection until the next big one hits and LE is overwhelmed.

The ratios are all screwed up, but there are always some good folks mixed in.

Don't count us out yet.

I guess it's time to start reloading, glad I live across the country from California, could never stand to live in a state like that. I don't think the residents of CA will learn they need real guns for their own protection until the next big one hits and LE is overwhelmed.

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We did learn that lesson. We learned it during the L.A. riots, but many have forgotten. Many more have fled like cowards instead of staying to fight. When the cowards leave it makes it harder on those of us who remain to fight.

Don't forget we elected Arnold, who turned out to be a yellow bellied sell out. Even when we vote republican we lose.

As long as conservatives flee CA they can be assured this crap will continue. Sure, the deserters are all safe, warm, and fuzzy now, but once CA sets the example watch others follow.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to read these threads and all the posts from people who say things like "I escaped" and "Glad I got out when I did" to see why the politics in this state is going to hell in a hand basket.

When a much larger group of conservatives come BACK to CA, then we might stand a chance, but until then I'll go down fighting, I will not run for comfort and safety.