phoenix arms hp22

you might want to check this comparison out.
http://genitron.com/REV-22LR/22LR.html

I have never fired one, only checked one out at a gun shop on a lark. Not bad for the $$$...but if you try you can get a used ruger mkI for ~ the same price!

http://www.gunsamerica.com/97698315...-Pistols/Mark-II-Family/RUGER_MKI_22_AUTO.htm Ruger MKI $175


http://www.gunsamerica.com/977001702/Guns-For-Sale/Gun-Auctions/Pistols/Phoenix-Pistols/HP22A.htm HP22 $179

I have one and when fed ammo that it likes it's very reliable. Mine when fed Federal bulk pack will not eject every round but if I feed it CCI Mini Mags it works everytime. I have the kit but normally I have the 3" barrel on it. The only thing that you need to remember is that it's not a target pistol or for any distance much beyond 10 yards.

CCI mini mags work best in my daughter's. I would look for a used Ruger mk l or mk ll or a Browning buckmark. Or a Neos. Phoenix are not the best, too many small safties and difficult to ge parts.

Mine has been very reliable with Mini-Mags. It's a fun plinking gun. I also shoot it in my basement with Colibri's by hand-cycling the action. There are two recurring issues with the HP-22 (and HP-25):
1. The top of the frame on either side of the magazine well is very thin and prone to cracking. Mine hasn't cracked, but I know several other guys who's frames have. Although this isn't really hazardous, it's a bummer.
2. The safety dance sucks! I love the hammer block safety. But the trigger safety and it's required ritual to drop the magazine is just goofy. I will probably disable the mag-lock portion on mine eventually.

A good .22 plinker for under $200? Heck if you have $200, don't bother with the HP-22, look for a used Ruger MkI, II, III, Browning Buckmark, H&R revolver, etc. And if you want smaller, a new Taurus PT22 is only like $219.

Jack

I like mine. I dislike the safeties, and it is a real bugger to get back together if you take the barrel off. It took us four hands, a screwdriver, and a lot of patience.
Originally the release lever to dissasemble was almost impossible to slide, but a little stoning on the detent surface took care of that.
As for accuracy, it has been minute-of-paper-plate at around 25 yards with my lackluster skill.
It has been fairly reliable, and as with most of my pistols, only has problems when someone else uses it; the only problem in my memory being that someone didn't seat the mag all the way.
It's a very fun plinker.

I had one, after three trips back to the factory I got rid of it. It was decent and accurate when it worked, unfortunately that wasn't very often.

A friend of mine had one. I forget all of the issues it had (lots, though), but I do remember it was not reliable and it had way too many safeties, one which loved to switch to safe after firing...becoming more frequent the more he shot it, to the point where it happened after each and every shot. He finally got rid of it.

I know it's a tired cliche and you don't want to be swayed away from the current object of your affection, but use your dough more wisely (friendly advice).

My wife loves hers, and after she's done shooting it, I shoot the thumbtacks out of her 7-yard targets with the 5" barrel. Sure it's a cheap POS, but i'm amazed at the accuracy, and think it's fine for a cheap plinker.

I've had one for about 10yrs now and it works great.

I got the package deal for $165, came wit piston, 3 and 5 inch barrels, 2 magazines (1 standard and 1 extended), and all the neccessary cleaning equipment, hard case with a lock and gun lock.

I had it for 4 years and shot the fire out of it. I didn't experience many problems with it (occassional jamming and had to replace a number of recoil springs). The cool thing about the HP22 Phoenix Arms is that it has a lifetime warranty. I shot my gun so much, the couldn't fix certain parts and repaced it (free).

Mine likes the cheap Walmart 550 box of Federal Hollow Points.

I think they've gotten a bad rap and have finally made some changes that have changed some of those previous problems.

But, if you can get a little extra $$$, I would recommed a Ruger MK II and the MK I (used) is within your price range (I have 3 Rugers, 1 Buchmark, and my HP22).

So don't let some bad experiences let you down over that HP22. If you have any problems, Phoenix Arms Custumer Service is EXCELLENT and you can get anything you need from the directly. (They sell magazine cheaper than anyone else).

I've always wanted one. Never got around to it.

I'm not one of those guys who's against SNS's but those but I don't like those. If you want a cheap decent .22 pistol try a Jennings J22 (now Jimenez). Do a search on the web for cracked frames on the Phoenix Arms HP22.

I'm not one of those guys who's against SNS's but those are pieces of pooh. If you want a decent cheap .22 pistol you'd be better off with a Jennings J22 (no Jimenez). I've fired many rounds through both and the Jennings is more reliable and will last longer. Do a search on the web for cracked frames on the Phoenix Arms HP22.

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Huh?

Mine hasn't ever cracked the frame, did the slide once, but they sent me a new one re-engineered. Got mine right after they came out and the slide was redesigned where the weak spot was.

Mine's UNREAL accurate. It shoots 3" clusters off a bench at 25 yards with the short barrel on it and CCI stinger. Pretty amazing and quite reliable. The 5" barrel feeds bulk pack Federal fine and shoots 2" at 25 yards. That's pretty dad gum accurate and useful in the field. I've slayed rabbits to snakes with it with just the 3" barrel. It's the only pocket carry I have that is worthy in the field for small game. Pretty amazing and why I keep it around. I hardly ever shoot it. I figure too much shooting and it'll wear out, being zinc and all. I have better .22s for plinking. I use it as a niche gun, pocket carry field use. NO it's NOT a high quality gun, but it has its better attributes and it was cheap. It's FAR, FAR more useful and a better gun than an RG I once had. Actually, it works FAR better than a Beretta tip up barrel I had, more accurate, more reliable. That Beretta was a POS and Beretta customer service is non-existent. I got rid of that one, kept the Phoenix Arms. LOL Jennings is junk. The HP has a hammer, I like that, and it's actually quite accurate. I've fired a Jennings, couldn't hit a paper plate at 15 yards with it. I don't keep inaccurate guns, but it wasn't mine, belonged to a friend.

If I had to guess, I'd say my HP22 has probably 4K rounds through it, about half and half between the 5" and the 3" barrels. It wears a recoil spring out occasionally. Thing looks like the spring in a ball point pen. But, the springs are cheap and available. I have a spare left when the one in the gun wears out. Don't know when that'll be cause I don't shoot it that often. I have a Ruger Mk 2, a Rossi revolver, and other nicer .22s I fire often, but the HP has its place. As cheap as it is and considering the decent accuracy, I don't consider it a waste of money.

Oh, btw, early on I super glued the firing pin block safety off. It kept turning itself on. Not a problem, now.

Huh?

The frame is paper thin in spots and the aluminum is softer than any of the other SNS's I own. Check this thread. Seems there are lots of occurrences. I'm glad yours hasn't done this, you got a good one.

http://www.bryco-jennings-jimenezarms.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=784


And another one:
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y154/hubmonster/101_1277.jpg



I have not been able to find anything on the web about the Jennings J22 doing anything like this. I've heard second or third hand accounts of some of the larger Jennings doing this but I haven't seen any pictures other than a cracked slide or two.

Phoenix Arms HP22 comes with a lifetime warranty to the orginal owner. They will fix or replace any defects. I know this for a fact and I have a good working relationship with their customer service.

So when you buy your firearm, make sure to fill out that warranty card and mail it it in. Then your covered and will get youself (more than likely) a new gun, if you have cracks in your frame like the markarovinik has in the gun pics posted above!!!

People need to quit hate'n on Phoenix Arms. Their a decent company and again, the HP22 is not a tank .22 like a Ruger or a Buck Mark.

Paper thin in spots

I know dude. Same thing happened to mine. I sent my warraty card in when I purchased the gun. When I con tacted Phoenix Arms, that asked me to mail them the firearm and their gunsmith would look at it. Obviously you can not fix "crack frame" damage, and I received a new gun, both barrels, cleaning kit, gun lock, and lockable hard case!

I agree that it could use some improvement in areas, but what do you expect for the $$$? Like I said, it's no Ruger (got 3) or a Buck Mark (got 1). So there you have it.

Being as these pistols are produced out of the same junky pot metal that Ravens, Jenning, Bryco,etc., pistols are made from,,,,Plus the myraid of safeties make the gun difficult to use and confusing to many, add to the fact that many of the pistols are not very reliable,,,,my opinion on these pistols is not very high.
Spend your money on something better.

I agree, spend a little more and get yourself a Ruger MK I (could get one used for under $200 easy), MK II (could get used for just over $200), MKIII and Buck Mark will be closer it $300 and over.

But keep in mind the orginator of the thread asked specificly about the HP22, not Ruger or Buck Mark or any of those other .22 pistols that have been mention. I gave my side my 2 cents again, so I suppose that's 4 cents now. LOL

I think if they made the frame just a little thicker in those spots and made the slide a little beefier and used a little harder material they would have the potential for a decent gun.

The nice thing about these types of guns is the parts are cheap. $40 for a new slide with adjustable rear sights.

Again, I don't mind SNS's. I've owned most of these and fired them for years and some are decent shooters and have enough "beef" to compensate for the soft materials used in producing them.

If anyone is really interested in first hand experiences with these guns, go to www.bryco-jennings-jimenezarms.com. You will see some honest complaints about which ones are good and which ones have problems. Yes some of these folks will stand behind their guns no matter what but if you look at enough threads you will see the problems encountered. Some of these folks might not be as "gun savvy" as the experts on THR but many there do know a lot about this particular breed of handgun.