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I was just watching the film U.S. Marshals, and Marshal Gerard states that "Get a glock, theyre so cool. They can shoot underwater! Shoot filled with sand! They shoot every time." Now, not being too familiar with glock products (More of a wheelgun man myself.) Are these claims true?
 
correct most if not all semi's will fire if they are fully submerged, I REALLY dont suggest it myself though.

things could get...... rather interesting lets just say {IE gun goes BOOM and makes you hurt something fierce}
 
The Glock 7 does all that, and is invisible to metal detectors. :p

(I wonder who flames me after not getting the joke...)
 
Heard a gun shop story (so make of it what you will) of a man who replicated the "Glock underwater" experiments. Rather than fire from the side of the pool with just his lower arm submerged, he entered the pool and fired into the deep end. Found blood in his urine the next time he visited the bathroom.
 
Yes.

Glocks--and other handguns--will fire underwater. However, there is a special way to ensure it is done safely--which I will NOT go into here in the hope of discouraging someone from trying it and messing up. Maritime spring cups are necessary to ensure proper firing pin velocity exists to pop the primer.

It is not too well known, but Glocks have been used underwater as shark guns.

As for the Glock firing when fouled with sand, I have personally submerged my G22 in mud and dirt, hosed it off and out and rapid fired it. I have also buried it in Arizona sand and fired it. Never a hiccup.

The Glock pistol is a well made extreme service handgun.
 
It is indeed mostly true. But it's true of almost all modern designed pistols, like XDs, HKs, Walther, etc. Glock has just been able to market their reliability better. That's really what all of the Glock claims boil down to. It's a fine pistol, but other pistols are just as good. Glock's true edge has always been marketing.
 
There are special spring cups for the striker spring which allow you to fire underwater... not exactly a pressing need of mine.

Aside from that, Glocks are VERY reliable, in part because of the somewhat loose chamber tolerances.

I've got a Glock 19 and a Glock 22 and have zero complaints about either reliability or accuracy.
 
wating (with popcorn in hand) to see video of a glock discharge with the barrell "filled with sand".

I just hope they rate it PG13, as I wouldn't want the youngins' getting frightened.
 
note that maratime spring cups are cheap and are easily installed by a smith and NEED to be used in order to insure proper function and saftey

"It is not too well known, but Glocks have been used underwater as shark guns."

yup, though id rather have a shark stick or the like though myself
 
Found this on the web and thought it answered most of the questions, and concerns expressed here.

http://www.topglock.com/info/faq.htm

Can I shoot my Glock underwater?

Just about any handgun will fire underwater -- at least once. :) However, firing underwater is NOT recommended because it can have devastating effects on the pistol and the shooter -- a potentially dangerous activity that should only be utilized by trained personnel wearing proper equipment for protection against potential pressure wave effects of underwater detonation. The shock/pressure waves in water can really damage internal organs (ever heard of lithotripsy?). Shooting a pistol underwater can lead to property damage, serious bodily injury or even death.

NOTE: Glock, Inc., specifically disclaims any and all liability from anyone performing or attempting to perform underwater firing with a Glock pistol -- you do so at your own risk.

The Glock 17 may be equipped with an optional set of maritime spring cups for use in water environments. Maritime spring cups are not intended for submerged firing, but for surface use by special ops teams who operate in and around water. The maritime spring cups are two small parts within the firing pin assembly and are not included on any Model 17 sold by Glock (civilians can only get them through 3rd parties). They insure that water can pass by the firing pin within the firing pin channel, thus preventing the creation of hydraulic force within the firing pin channel -- which would slow the firing pin down, causing light primer strikes. With the special cups, the action will cycle reliably while submersed, if a little bit slower. NATO specification ammunition (such as Winchester's Ranger RA9124N) with waterproof sealed primers and case mouths is recommended.

Although you may install the maritime spring cups on any Glock model, *only* the Glock 17 was designed and intended to use the modified spring cups for aquatic firing -- and only then using 9mm ball ammunition to remain within acceptable pressure limits. The foolhardy who insist on living dangerously must keep several things in mind: The Glock 17 must be fully submersed underwater. There must not be any air left within the pistol as the muzzle is pointed towards the surface of the water after submersion to allow the air in the barrel to escape. Use only full metal jacket, ball-type ammunition because the water within the barrel can spread a hollow point out within the barrel upon firing. This increases the bearing surface of the bullet to the barrel and could catastrophically increase pressures. Even if the barrel doesn't burst, the expanded bullet would get even bigger upon exiting into the water and would slow down very quickly while tumbling. Accuracy would be terrible.

The marinized Glock 17 is primarily for use by various Special Warfare units operating in aquatic environments. At least one specialized Scuba diving group regularly uses G17's to dispatch sharks where they dive. The Glock 17 using NATO specification ball ammunition will completely penetrate a minimum of one 1/2" pine board at a distance of ten feet from the muzzle when fired underwater.

Trained personnel who use Glocks underwater know they must obey several rules:
1) use only a Glock Model 17 with amphibious spring cups (reliability issue);
2) use only 9mm FMJ subsonic, sealed primer ammo;
3) completely immerse the pistol and get *all* the air out of the barrel;
4) wear protective ear plugs, gloves, wet suit, face mask, etc.;
5) do not fire near solid objects or in enclosed spaces to prevent return
concussion.

However, any Glock -- even those not equipped with maritime spring cups -- will normally fire while submersed underwater. But doing so may generate excessive internal pressure and may cause the pistol to literally blow up. This is especially true with the use of high-pressure rounds (such as the .40 S&W/357 SIG) or hollow-point bullets.

I recall a reported incident where a Glockster on a boating holiday decided to show some friends how his Glock would fire underwater (because Tommy Lee Jones said so in the movies). He stuck his hand overboard, pulled the trigger and came back with a bunch of shredded plastic and a badly injured hand.

Another reported case was the Glockster who decided to try out his Glock 23 .40 S&W in the swimming pool after seeing pictures of Glocks being fired underwater on the web. He was totally submerged, with the gun, as he fired at a piece of wood on the bottom of his pool. The Glock did fire, the .40 S&W FMJ round left the barrel and went into the wood. The chamber also exploded and implanted shrapnel into his leg. Thinking that the water would muffle the blast, he did not wear hearing protection (the blast is actually about 4 times louder underwater). He is now mostly deaf in one ear and hears high-pitched tones most of his waking life.

As you can see, firing a pistol underwater is a *very* dangerous endeavor.
Several things could happen:
1) the firing pin may be slowed enough to not detonate the primer
(without the maritime spring cups)
2) the pistol could blow up in your hand;
3) the concussion could damage ears, eyes or internal organs;
4) the bullet may not go where you intend it to.

Even if you have the right equipment, know what you're doing and follow the rules -- the risks for underwater firing are minimized -- but not eliminated. Your pistol's barrel could be affected by water obstruction and your body by damaging concussion. By using hollow point bullets (water may cause the bullet to expand in the barrel), high pressure ammo, etc. -- you're asking for an underwater kaBoom! It you fire near solid or hard objects, the bouncing concussion can cause extensive, perhaps even fatal external/internal tissue injury. Why risk it?
Rev 2/2000 by JT ©2000 Blue Ridge Bullseye.
 
Shooting USA - Torture test

I watched the Shooting USA torture test guys do an underwater torture test on a semi auto (IIRC it was an XD) in a swimming pool.

They had the gun clamped in a rest and had a pull cord on the trigger.

They fired 3 shots underwater.

The gun cycled ok twice with an FTE on one shot.

Post test inspection revealed a BULGE in the barrel. It should be logical that severe hydrostatic pressure inside the barrel, has a potential of causing some damage to the firearm - especially on repeated firing under water.

They also reported that they could feel the detonation shockwave standing on the side of the pool!!
 
Glock Schmlock - My dad and his pals used to "shine" fish - which means they'd sneak down the creek with a carbide coon light - find fish in a shallow pool, ease the barrel of a .22 rifle into the water and shoot fish in head point blank.

The reason for putting the barrel into the water was so the Sheriff wouldn't hear the shots and catch them doing it.

So you don't really need a Glock for an underwater shootout, now do ya? :neener:
 
Glock Schmlock - My dad and his pals used to "shine" fish - which means they'd sneak down the creek with a carbide coon light - find fish in a shallow pool, ease the barrel of a .22 rifle into the water and shoot fish in head point blank.
I used to do something similar to minnows in the river in my parents backyard as a kid.

I would pump up my Crossman bb gun (with no bb/pellet in it-it's not needed) and stick the barrel just barely into the water near the bank, and wait for a school of minnows to approach. When they did, fire the empty gun.The concussion/shock wave just from the compressed air in the water would cause about 10+ minnows to float up dead as a dorrnail.Scoop out and use for walleye bait.Repeat as needed.

Always was pretty impressed with myself with that trick.Free bait, using a gun, without even expedning any ammo. Even as a kid I was a cheap bastidge just like dad.:D

Looking back, it was just the kids version of redneck dynamite fishing (I wasnt aware of that practice/mythological practice at the time though, but it's the same idea. Just goes to show, rednecks are born, not made, and they can be found everywhere (Born and raised in MI). The South has no monopoly on them AT ALL, inspite of the stereotype.:D

Thats as close as you'll ever get me to firing a gun into, or under, water, no matter what type/brand.I dont doubt it's possible at all, just seems very risky, with no real reward/need to me. I'll just avoid being underwater in places with things so dangerous as to need a gun for protection.No sharks in the complex's swimming pool, and I'm not into swimming anyways.I only do it as needed to avoid drowning, otherwise, no interest.:D
 
You know...

There's two kindsa folks on The High Road...

Crusty Elite Old Farts, and the folks who have garnered their firearms expertise from, and believe the crap that they get from, movies, comic books, television, video games, and, my favorite, dice-oriented roll playing clusterfests...

Sincerely,

Bogie, feeling rather elite, but quite comforted by the knowledge that his humbleness as an existential buddhist will cover for it...
 
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