What accuracy is typical of my .30-30?

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It is a Coast to Coast model 843 (springfield 840). It is in good shape and I am thinking of using it instead of my garand for hunting this season. I haven't had a chance to sight it in or even fire it yet, so what should I be expecting? Kick isn't a concern, as I doubt it will be worse than the garand (very comfortable). It is a bolt action, but I don't see how that should make any difference. I will be shooting 100y or closer, so stopping power isn't a worry either. I am worried about group size (reasonable, 1-2 inch groups at 50y will suit my purpose fine). I will have a sling on it, and it is scoped with a 4x weaver scope on an offset rail (raised rings so I can see the irons still). I am looking at the 170gr winchester superX for rounds. I know about hornady, but I don't see the point (pun intended) for that close of shooting so why spend the extra 7 dollars?

Scythe
 
If you are a good shot shooting from a bench and there is nothing mechanically wrong with your rifle or scope you should not be surprised by 2" groups at 100yds.

If you get poor groups the most likely cause is having your scope mounted so high it prevents you from truly anchoring your cheek on the stock. Scope mounts that raise the scope supposedly so the shooter can use "either/or" (scope or irons) are one of the worst inventions in Shooterdom. But they sell well because so many people don't know any better and the salesgirl at Wallymart tells 'em "Everyone buys 'em".

Would suggest you try the 150-gr. Winchester "Power Point" ammo first.
It's good deer medicine.


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The Savage 340 series of bolt rifles, I guess thats what you have, are generaly accurate rifles.

I would think it capable of 2" groups at 100yds. I installed and sighted in a scope for a coworker a couple years ago. A Springfield version of the 340 in .223, his rifle was easily capable of 1" or less groups at 100yds.

My fathers Savage 340 in .22Hornet was likewise quite accurate.

I bet the .30-30 will shoot fine too.
 
Shawnee,
Why not the 170? They actually cost the same, so what is the advantage to the 150gr? I would think the 170 would carry more umph when hitting.

I am a 1-2moa shooter, but I haven't fired this rifle (given to me to clear out room in the old mans safe, he hasn't fired it either, it was my grandpas gun).

Z71, sometimes there isn't much choice for the mount. The bolt would be in the way if it wasn't raised a little. I can get a pretty good cheek weld with it where it is at. I have seen normal picatany rails with rings that weren't "standoff" that were higher.

Oh, and 2" at 100y will be more than efective. A deers heart is about 4 inches, so as long as I am grouping under that I should be good :) Will the round I chose leave me tracking a deer or will it drop on the spot? If I have to track, I want a blood trail Ray Charles could have followed:)
 
I got my coworkers mount from Midway I believe. The rifle should have 4 holes in the left side of the receiver to accapt the scope mount. The Mount I believe is a B Square, but could be wrong about the brand. Pretty slick mount that worked great for that particular rifle.
 
Will the round I chose leave me tracking a deer or will it drop on the spot?
Guess you haven't shot very many deer.

You can't expect them to always "drop on the spot" even if you shoot them with a .458 Magnum.

Your 30-30 will kill them just fine, but you may have a blood trail of 25 - 50 yards or more with a heart / lung shot, just as you might have with a 30-06 or .338 Mag.

The only time a deer will for sure drop on the spot is with a brain or spine hit.

rcmodel
 
RCmodel,
Round here, they really do just drop. Of the several that have been shot around me with the 30-06, only 1 has kept moving. He had a heart shot, and was a yearling He moved about 30y and the keeled over. The others have dropped like it was a spine shot, but they went through the lungs or heart. 25-50 isn't bad to chase, its the guys that go 400 (and therefore off the property) that make life less fun. As long as I can chase, I will, but I do need a blood trail. BTW, how is the wound channel or blood trail from the 170gr?
 
I suggested the 150-gr. for two reasons.

* I've seen it be very accurate in just about any rifle it was shot in.

* It is designed to perform well even at close ranges. Deer are just not "beefy" enough to provide a lot of resistance. I happen to be someone who likes a bullet to expend ALL its' energy within the game animal. I am also greatly in favor of shots to the CNS rather than "heart/lung" shots.

I don't know anything bad to say about the 170-grainer, though. I've just never used it and don't recall ever seeing a deer shot with it by anyone else.

Good Luck !

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I have a Springfield 840 with a cheap scope, I think I paid 115 bucks for it. I can tear the bullseye out of a target from 50 yards. Mine seems to really like the cheap blue box federal flat nose ammo.
 
I'd bet that any decent rifle can shoot accurately enough to put a deer down at 100 yards.
I just got a Marlin 30-30 the other day. Only shot 10 rounds out of it to test function/sight regulation (I had to borrow those and haven't had a chance to load any handloads for it yet) but my last two shot group at 50 yards had both shots almost touching.
The 30-30 will do the job.
BTW - the loads I used were the last leftover box of Federal 150 grain SP's we had around. But I've read about magazine tube KB's with them, so I'll be going with handloads or factory loads of another flavor once these are gone (I only shot them with two rounds in the rifle at a time).

Also, something I was taught about hunting deer was to wait until you see the deer exhale before you fire. The explanation I've got is that a deer can run as long as it has a breath of air. I've seen them run with no heart and I've even seen them keep moving with a brain injury so I KNOW they can keep going after taking a solid hit. But an experienced old-time hunter told me that about waiting for the exhale.
I haven't hunted enough to have proven his theory to myself yet but I'm prepared to take him at his word.
 
My Marlin .30-30 is best with the Rem. Core-Lokt 170-gr soft-points.

Won't shoot any 150-gr worth a hoot-in-Hades.

Have not tried the Hornady Leverevolution stuff yet.
 
I surprised myself and took out a clay pigeon at ~100yrds with open sights on my winny 94.

I've shot both the 150 and 170 and enjoy the 150's more then the 170's. The 170's cause me to flinch more.
 
Well gentlemen, I thank you for your input. Most especially to those who conveyed experience with similar bolt action rifles. I appreciate the info and will take it very much into consideration.

Scythefwd
 
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