Poll:Should it be Mandatory to Notify LE You are Carrying Concealed With a Permit?

Yes... and then after you tell them they can go ahead and take it for "your safety" And then maybe if you can't prove that it's yours by providing a receipt they can take it until you can prove that you're innocent. Actually let's just go ahead and outlaw CCW altogether, then our streets, and children, and LEOs will all be much safer. (extreme sarcasm!!)

No frikkin' way! Last I checked, people without permits didn't make it a regular habit of notifying upon being stopped, why should those who have a proven record of not being criminals have to? I like the idea of innocent until prove guilty. I don't even like the fact that it's attached to your license. Here in Oregon you don't have to notify, but when they run your license they will found out anyway! :banghead: I voted no!

I can see why they want people to notify, but why should CCWers have to do so when criminal's right to avoid self-incrimination says they don't.

Of course it could be argued that the need to notify is against your right to remain silent.

I an a Patrol Sergeant have been on the force since 1989. I never had felon inform me he had a firearm. I have had a few good people tell me. This rule will only effect the honest citizens. They are not the one's killing the police officers. It is normally our regular customers ie people that have been arrested more then once.

all business's have regular customers.

I voted no.

Is it particularly bothersome to be required to inform? I say not really.

Should an officer have the authority to disarm me for the duration of an encounter, according to his judgment? I think so.

But here's the thing about being required to notify: It gets into the same territory as basically any gun-control law. By which I mean that making a law does not automatically mean people will follow it.

The folks who will obey and notify are not going to be the folks the police need to worry about.

The folks the police do need to worry about are not going to inform regardless of a law.

I think that maybe the impetus for these requirements comes from a reverse reading of my final point. There's a difference between what I wrote and "The folks who don't want to inform need to be worried about." And that simple, yet oh-so-drastic change in understanding makes quite a difference.

I have yet to encounter an officer whilst carrying. I got pulled over a few times back in NC after I got my permit, but I wasn't carrying any of those times. Now that I'm in Tennessee, I am not required to inform. I don't intend on volunteering that information, either, unless I feel that there's a good chance the officer might notice my weapon. In that case, I'd rather tell him than have him be surprised by it.

But that's my decision, and I certainly don't think any of my opinions ought to be codified into law.

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I just rarely agree with things that have the words "always" or "never" in them.

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These are pearls here.

I hate that Texas requires me to inform.

I voted yes. I carry lawfully so being on the side of the law I support those who are paid to enforce the law. Notifying an officer is just good courtesy and the safe thing to do.

I was pulled over once for speeding and I had my Glock on me. This was before the law. The very first thing I did after the officer identified himself was to say "Sir, for your safety and mine, I have a concealed weapons permit and I am armed. My Glock is on my right hip." The officer said, "Oh, are you, let me see your permit." He didn't pat me down or ask me to surrender my weapon. I gave him a copy of my permit. He checked to make sure it was valid then told me to have a nice day. The subject of speeding wasn't brought up again; heck I didn't even get a warning.

Point is, they appreciate it. It's a good law and if everyone did the right thing to begin with there wouldn't be a need for it.

Just my two cents.

Not required in CT, thankfully...

Why would any officer need to know if you had a gun? I mean if I get stopped for speeding lets say, and my NCIC come back as a clear record, what is the officers need to know that I have a valid CCW permit and carry a weapon? Its irrelevant in this situation since I am one with out a criminal record.....right??? Only the criminals who cannot have a firearm in there possession are the ones who would disobey that law. Their not going to abide by it anyways. Lets look at it this way. Its 1:00am and the same situation happens. Its a dark highway area and the officers backup unit is one county away (Happens often with the Colorado State Patrol due to budget cuts). If I'm clear, and its a speeding violation, why should I have to increase the "fear factor" (dark desolate area, no backup, and now he has a man in a car with a gun???) by alerting him to the fact I have a handgun on me? That statement now changes the situation. I would not want to hear that if I were in that situation. It's just a thought. Also note I grew up in the "arm pit of America......Illinois" and really am thankful for the Colorado gun rights and freedoms we have her in this great state! Cheers!

I don't want "mandatory" anything, hardly.

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Originally posted by misANTHrope
The folks who will obey and notify are not going to be the folks the police need to worry about.

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Instead, maybe it would be more direct and to the point if the topic was
about a citizens duty (or not) to inform LEO if the citizen is a bad guy(or not).
That'd be a real honor system. Do it for the children.

EVERY law should first pass a two question test

1) Did anyone get unnecessarily hurt?
2) Was anything taken?

The person that carries and doesn't hurt anyone without cause and hasn't taken anything that doesn't belong to them could therefore not be subject to a law requiring one to tell a cop. Requiring anyone one to do something, not do something, or be subject to just about any government emposed restriction should first pass this test. Otherwise, why is it anyone's business?

I think that if the officer asks you should tell him. Say if you are out the car and he is about to search you. It's best not to surprise them with a concealed handgun.

But if the officer is not going to search you or even make you get out of the car I believe telling him would be creating a much more uncomfortable social situation than is neccesary.

I don't have to tell them if I have guns in my house, so why in my car?

To me every piece of information I give the cop to process at the side of the road is that much longer that I'm going to be there.

I figure if he wants to know he'll ask me. Other than that I'm not saying a word.

Point is, they appreciate it. It's a good law and if everyone did the right thing to begin with there wouldn't be a need for it

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How is informing " the right thing"?

Only a few states in the union feel that "it's the right thing " enough to enact a law requiring notification The rest of them (apparently) feel that it would be a pointless law.

""The law is the law wether I agree or disagree with it here in NC I follow it. That is part of being a LAW ABIDING CITIZEN. For my opinion though I put myself in the shoes of the LEO walking up to a car I just pulled over on some remote road. I would want to know for my own piece of mind.""

If you are law abiding you will get a permit. The officer should be tickled pink that his computer told him you are law abiding-the stop should then go real smooth-no gun, one gun or many guns. I dont think a permot holder has ever shot and office-anywhere-ever.

Advising the officer that you are legally armed goes a long way toward taking the edge off things.

If you want to have the best chance of seeing your retirement you have to assume that everyone you initially encounter intends to do you harm. If you are not advised and see the gun ... the pucker factor can go up very quickly.

Why push the edge ... it simply ain't worth it at the end of the day.

Keeping your hands in plain sight, making notification that you are armed, etc., are courtesy ... not really different than pulling to the inside (another) lane when you come upon a traffic stop. Most states have no laws about that and we sure as heck should not need some politicians making up any.

This is similar to allowing officers to search your car on request. I consider it a total infringement under a normal traffic stop. If I am asked to get out then I will mention I am armed and the weapon is on my hip, how would you like to proceed. But that's never come up. I have been stopped for tag violations several times and never mentioned it, and neither did they.

btw, what is the law in TX? It seems different people from that state have posted different versions.

No. I don't think you should have too.


Unless they ask you.


I've been pulled over multiple times and never told them I had a pistol. And they never asked.


Nothing wrong with that.

I informed the first time I was stopped. The comedy of errors that ensued and the inability of our locals to disarm someone without putting everyone at severe risk means I won't volunteer that again.

I have had several casual encounters with officers that in certain states would have tripped a requirement for disclosure.

These interactions were not queered by awkward and irrelevant references to armaments, and everyone's the better for it.

I an a Patrol Sergeant have been on the force since 1989. I never had felon inform me he had a firearm. I have had a few good people tell me. This rule will only effect the honest citizens. They are not the one's killing the police officers. It is normally our regular customers ie people that have been arrested more then once.

all business's have regular customers.

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Thanks,

C

NO,

All LEO's should allready assume that everyone is carrying concealed, since it is a constitutional right for people to bear arms.

Absolutely not. Why should we have to volunteer such information. In many states, our licenses are linked to our driver licenses, so the police find out when the DL is run. You may be unknowingly breaking a law, such as in a location where firearms prohibited by law, and would thus be incriminating yourself by informing.

I would do it whether it was required or not because I think it makes good sense, and keeps things calmer in a traffic stop.

However, I am flat down against having common sense legislated, and think it should NOT be mandatory. Just because something's a good idea doesn't mean some busybody has to make it the law.

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