Perhaps on day we will be able to subdue licensing requirements, but one step at a time. It has only been 6 months since it was legally established that RKBA was even our individual right. The next step (which is currently underway) is to establish that the 2nd Amendment applies to the states. Then we'll have to push that the 2A includes CCW or OC or both. If/when we get that decision, THEN we can start chipping away at individual state legislation such as licensing requirements, mag capacity, etc. And the case posted by the OP will help... once we get to that point. It will be a long and brutal battle, but hopefully one day in my lifetime our rights will be fully recognized (although I doubt it).
Time to Bust Some Panic Myths
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They do. Each box of ammo has a little sticker sort of like the tax seal on a pack of cigarretts.
I think they are going to try a different tac. I think they will try to force gun makers and bullet manufacturers to implement costly "safety" gizmos of one kind or another. And nothing is too fantastic or foolish or too costly to implement when the drum beat of "save the children" gets rumbling.
How about some sort of unique signiture for each bullet made? Nothing is too silly.
There's nothing wrong with a call for cooler heads to prevail and to focus on the legal channels in place to resolve disputes; but we are in unique times now and people are concerned unlike ever before - I think rightly.
How about some sort of unique signiture for each bullet made? Nothing is too silly.
There's nothing wrong with a call for cooler heads to prevail and to focus on the legal channels in place to resolve disputes; but we are in unique times now and people are concerned unlike ever before - I think rightly.
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Liddyfan,
The unique signature for each bullet made IS going to happen.
18 states are in the process of such legislation right now, for like the second time around. It will add a 5cent per round tax in order for law enforcement to establish a database, and it will make it a class A misdemeanor to remove the serial number. Also all ammo not carrying the numbers must be destroyed by 2011 after which the class A misdemeanor will apply to all unnumbered ammo. The question I ask is: how is this going to detur a criminal? anyone committing a crime with a gun is already guilty of multiple felonies, does he really care about the risk of a misdemeanor to avoid being caught?
The unique signature for each bullet made IS going to happen.
18 states are in the process of such legislation right now, for like the second time around. It will add a 5cent per round tax in order for law enforcement to establish a database, and it will make it a class A misdemeanor to remove the serial number. Also all ammo not carrying the numbers must be destroyed by 2011 after which the class A misdemeanor will apply to all unnumbered ammo. The question I ask is: how is this going to detur a criminal? anyone committing a crime with a gun is already guilty of multiple felonies, does he really care about the risk of a misdemeanor to avoid being caught?
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If (or maybe when) that law passes, I see the creation of a whole new bunch of criminals.
I know of people who have incredibly large ammo stashes who probably won't dump them. Makes me wonder if the government will buy back the "bad unnumbered ammo" at a fair market price.
I'm not holding my breath. 
I also know I have rounds "floating" all over the house. Should I miss one I guess I'll be a criminal.
ThrottleJockey
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Here is a link to learn more about this stupid bullet serial number crap. And PLEASE, if you live in one of these states, contact your state reps and let them know that you vote and you oppose this action. But be polite and professional.
http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation.htm
I know the info is from last year, but it is being pushed again this session and with the Fed situation, is much more likely to pass. I'm not in one of these states, but if one does it, it is only a matter of time before the others follow suit.....
http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation.htm
I know the info is from last year, but it is being pushed again this session and with the Fed situation, is much more likely to pass. I'm not in one of these states, but if one does it, it is only a matter of time before the others follow suit.....
Shung
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I heard that this ammo serialisation is just not going to happend. The people trying to "force"l it are just lobbyists from the brand that invented that process, and of course they are trying to "sell" it...
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Really?
AWB's were introduced in 2005, 2007, an 2008:
H.R. 1312: Assault Weapons Ban and Law Enforcement Protection Act of 2005
H.R. 1022: Assault Weapons Ban and Law Enforcement Protection Act of 2007
H.R. 6257: Assault Weapons Ban Reauthorization Act of 2008
And those occurred with a Republican president. What makes you think they won't introduce one this year? They don't even need to write one from scratch. All they have to do is make a few changes to one of the above.
So why is it going to be different this time? None of those made it out of sub committee, much less went to a vote.
I didn't know there was a constitutionally protected right to buy ammo. And I wouldn't consider 10 cents to be punitive. I'll bet most people don't know it exists. And I would also bet ammo is not more expensive here than in, say, KY.
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Anyone remember the"greed is good" speech?
Well, in its own way, panic about this stuff is good too. It has raised the awareness in a lot of those who were on our side but who's eyes were closed.
I have personally assisted in the legal purchases and training of 4 people in the last 6 months.
That means there are 6 people that now have open eyes and an index finger for pulling a voting lever.
Part of the training was a good long talk about the politics of it all.
Well, in its own way, panic about this stuff is good too. It has raised the awareness in a lot of those who were on our side but who's eyes were closed.
I have personally assisted in the legal purchases and training of 4 people in the last 6 months.
That means there are 6 people that now have open eyes and an index finger for pulling a voting lever.
Part of the training was a good long talk about the politics of it all.
CoRoMo
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+1 Mousegun.
It's all good.
It's all good.
Delford
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so in all this, HR 45 introduced by an Illinois Representative is not a threat?
That's the handgun registration bill.
That's the handgun registration bill.
m4joey94
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the idea of President Obama getting rid of guns is scary enough. But the NRA is ctive and strong and Obama already got his attempt at gun control vetoed once already, I'm just hoping he doesn't get his way with guns at all...
browningguy
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Even a casual observation by a complete idiot would tell you this is not true. Both the states and the federal government impose taxes on firearms and ammunition when they are manufactured or sold. In addition many fees can be involved that could put manufacturers out of business. How about the tax on newly manufactured firearms, and licensing fees. Oh, that's right, there may not be a constitutional right to manufacture firearms.
The sky really is falling, some people are just asleep at the wheel and don't want to see it.
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"Even a casual observation by a complete idiot would tell you this is not true."
Read the court ruling. It doesn't forbid taxes, it forbids PUNITIVE taxes. IE: a 500% tax on ammo like some claim Obama wants. At the time the ruling was made, there was a law in place in some southern states to put a 100% tax on guns to keep them out of the hands of the poor. That kind of tax is unconstitutional.
"The sky really is falling, some people are just asleep at the wheel and don't want to see it."
Tell you what, Chicken Little. You keep running around spreading fear and discourse, and the rest of us will do something productive to stop the gun grabbing liberals.
Read the court ruling. It doesn't forbid taxes, it forbids PUNITIVE taxes. IE: a 500% tax on ammo like some claim Obama wants. At the time the ruling was made, there was a law in place in some southern states to put a 100% tax on guns to keep them out of the hands of the poor. That kind of tax is unconstitutional.
"The sky really is falling, some people are just asleep at the wheel and don't want to see it."
Tell you what, Chicken Little. You keep running around spreading fear and discourse, and the rest of us will do something productive to stop the gun grabbing liberals.
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Color me thickheaded but how does the NFA tax pass muster? It was a $200 tax on NFA items. The Thompson SMG was one of the premier type guns it was aimed at, and that weapon cost $200, so a $200 tax effectively doubled it. How is THAT not a "punitive" tax?
Not that I'm a lawyer or a politician. If I was I guess I wouldn't have to ask this question .......
JImbothefiveth
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He wasn't too busy with the economy to shut down Guantanamo, when we're fighting 2 wars. He wasn't too busy to spend our tax dollars on abortions, or places that preform them, in a time of economic crisis when we're already expected to have trillion dollar deficits.
If he's willing to hurt the economy to further his agenda, I don't think he'll be too concerned with it to try and further his agenda.
He's the president. The president who signed that bill got re-elected.
kentucky bucky
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You don't patch a leak in the dam after it breaks. The smaller the "crack" the easier it is to stop. Just like a leaky dam, the "cracks" in our rights can grow exponentially.
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Like gun control?
But without a sunset clause, which politicians want to have their name on MSNBC, with a story about how they "legalized cop-killing super atomic 100000 rounds per second assault weapons designed for firing from the hip" ? A few senators from the Red states, but that'll be it.
It didn't seem to stop Obama from getting elected.
You forgot about the president.
He's providing federal funds either for abortions or places that preform them, in a time of economic crisis, when we could face trillion dollar deficits. He could be creating jobs with that money, or assisting Ford and GM in retooling, but no, he spends it on that!
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Does this mean that FOID (Firearms Owners Identification Documentation) cards for IL residents are unconstitutional. I believe this is a crack in or our rights.
These are cards that is required by law to own a firearm in IL it is a Felony if you don't have this.
These are cards that is required by law to own a firearm in IL it is a Felony if you don't have this.
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It should be remembered that a federal income tax was ruled unconstitutional, I believe 3 times, before they finally gave up and rammed the 16th Amendment through. Some people have tenacity and some of them are big government types..
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Well, I'm not sure if I qualify as a redneck or not.
Yes, because do you want to deal with the risk of losing your senate seat for a bill, only to have it vetoed?
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