In-depth tests from a Henry .22. Pic heavy!

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Deus Machina

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Thought I'd just share a bit. Seeing holes in paper is always good, right?

The gun: Henry H001
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The scope: $16 3-7x20 BSA.
The rest: a 7.62 NATO ammo can with a towel on top. Hardly a lead sled.
The test: 15 rounds each at 50 yards. Call it about squirrel distance. Point of aim always bullseye.

Rifle was not cleaned or cooled after anything.
35 rounds of each were shot after the accuracy tests, as a misfire test during fun shooting. Assume none unless noted.

Ruler included in all photos for reference.

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40gr lead round nose. Advertised at 1255 fps.
Inconsistent. Most shots made a proper 'pop', but they would vary from a very obviously supersonic 'crack!' to a low 'bawwp' the very next shot.
A little dirty, too. The one I remember leaving some smoke rolling out of the breech. The bullets have a hard waxy coating on them. I should have left this until the end, because of that. Smelled a little funny.
No misfires, but had a few (not during testing) offer resistance loading. Fired fine.

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40gr lead round nose. Advertised at 1240 fps.
Topmost impact my fault.
Don't think I had any that obviously varied from the others, in this batch.
Much cleaner than the Thunderbolt. I can't detect any lube on the lead at all, in fact--may lead to further leading in the barrel. Can't be worse than the Remington.


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36gr hollowpoint, a sort of rounded semi-wadcutter in profile. Advertised at 1220 fps via Midway--the box offers no velocity.
Advertised velocity is either low, or the others were advertised high.
About the consistancy you could expect from a bulk box. Not match-quality, but no over/underloads like Thunderbolt.
Not bad, for $13!
2 misfires in 50, one during testing. Replaced for test.
Note: Found a single copper-washed bullet in the pack. Curious. Did not use for test, but fired fine.

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36gr brass-coated hollowpoint. Advertised at 1280 fps.
Lowest is my fault.
Not obviously inconstant when I shot it.
Nothing notable at all, in fact.


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32gr copper-plated hollowpoint. Advertised at 1640 fps.
Furthest up is my fault.
See that one with the arrow pointing at it? That's actually 1 stinger (hit the '10') and a keyhole from a different round.
Heard good things about this, if a gun will shoot it, and I'm inclined to agree. No misfires, it fed fine in both my test rifle and my Ruger Mk3 22/45, and great fun to shoot.
Any .22lr that actually recoils and announces itself with a solid-sounding 'thop!' is good in my book. Actually pushed the gun back to my shoulder, too. :D Obviously developed for rifles, instead of just all-purpose cheapie ammo. I'd hope so, for the price!


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40gr copper-plated 'hollow' point. Unable to find an advertised speed.
Upper right flyer (in the green) is my fault. Holes below the box are a different round.
A quick note: at $23, this is just slightly cheaper than the Golden Bullet. At the prices today, it's really not bad for a 500-round box, but for .22lr, ouch.
This stuff was a pleasant surprise. Look at that group, compared to the others! After a look at this round and at another user's water-jug test, I would not use this for hunting. The 'hollow point' is absolutely minuscule, and offers absolutely no expansion. I'd like to see an expansion test after running them through a hollowpointing tool like the AccuRizer, though.


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Aguila 'SSS' Sniper SubSonic.
60gr lead round nose.
An interesting little round, overall. An oddly long solid lead bullet atop the brass fro .22 shorts. Disappointing, though, unfortunately.
It is subsonic, but while not as loud as the others, it was hardly quiet. Deeper, softer sound. Like shooting a .45 after spending the day with a 9mm or .40.
Obviously, my the Henry is just not rifled right for this. I count 11 hits on paper, of 15 shots. POA was upper right bullseye. All but 1 keyholed.
From what I could tell, it started tumbling between 20 and 30 yards. Wish I had enough left over to test there, instead of memories of earlier shooting.
Some smelled weird. Sharply detergent and clinging. Reminded me of the flake laundry soap my grandmother used.
Cycled my handgun fine. Noticeably different--more of a 'push'--than the 36 and 40-grainers, but not nearly as hard as the Stinger.


Conclusions: I'll be buying Dynapoint for my bulk shooting from now on.
Stinger or Xpert will go with me if I go shoot small critters.
I want to get my hands on some Hornet to test.
60-grain ammo is fun, but needs a faster twist than anything I have.
I'm saving for the gun show next month. I'll spend a good chunk on every different .22 I can find to test. :D
Many of those furthest off target are my fault--an ammo can is not the best rest.
I'm convinced the gun is more accurate than that. With a good rest and a stronger, high-quality scope, I think I could cut most of those groups to half their size.
Shooting holes in things is fun! (A bow to the Box O' Truth.)
 
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The Thunderbolts may be, but I don't think the Lightning is. These targets were a few days in the range bag at the time of pictures, and the holes are rough. I think the 'petals' have just been folded back a little.
 
Looks like you've found the ammo your gun likes. Just buy all of it you can find. If you're hunting squirrel/rabbit sized stuff, I don't think you're going to lose that much from poor expansion versus the accuracy you gain. But, everyone has their own standards.

From my testing, the XPert 22 is definitely not high velocity ammo. It won't cycle my 22/45 more than 1/2 the time and it's not accurate enough to mess with in my bolt guns. I tried to give away the brick I had (still have) but the guy brought it back 5 minutes later after it wouldn't run his Mark II. :banghead:

Great test of many ammos and I appreciate you taking the time to photograph and post it with write-ups. This is the kind of stuff that really makes THR so fun. Love the Henry, too. One of these days I'll have a lever .22. Oh yes, it will be mine. :)
RT
 
Maybe I got lucky, but this box of Xpert has treated me great. Average accuracy, cycles my guns fine, and was cheap as dirt. Of course, with the inconsistency noted by everyone else, I could have just gotten a 'strong box'. Still curious about the single copper-washed, though. Should have gotten a picture just for the record. :p

I'll have to check out squirrel hunting down here in Florida. If it really doesn't take any expansion, those Dynapoints may just land me a couple.

One inch at 50 yards from (albeit it high-priced) bulk-box is just dandy by me. Wish it could have been one of the $16 boxes, though.

Loved that 550 Federal out of my Mk3 for function. Dunno about accuracy, but as soon as I see it again...

I love my Henry but I'm always on the lookout for new stuff. You can expect another of these as soon as I get the Marlin 60 SS (with the black-and-grey laminate stock, eventually) I've been drooling over, or after the next gun show.

One booth had a table of used break-open shotguns at $65 a pop. Wonder if I could find one with some .22's...
 
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I'm not dissing your shooting as the Dyna Point target is acceptable. The thing that struck me about these photos is the group size of most all of the different manufactuers. I have a relative inexpensive Savage .22, accu trigger, laminated stock, medium heavy barrel, with 3 x 9 Pentax scope. I mainly shoot bulk Federal ammo from Walmart. I shoot, generally speaking, from a bench rest using a rolled up towel or blanket as a rest. Nothing sophisticated at all. At 50 yards I shoot about quarter size groups with occasional flyers. I would be very dissapointed with most all those groups. Do you think the Henry is exceptionally sensitive to ammo?
 
It could be, but there are a few things going against it. The cheap scope (may or may not be a problem), towel on the ammo can wasn't enough to help steady it--it was just to prevent scratches. I haven't cleaned it in the last half-dozen outings, and it really could be exceptionally picky, and like something I haven't found yet.

You also certainly have a better trigger, likely have a better stock (the Henry has that notch in the barrel and clamp for the foreend), possibly have a better barrel, probably have better eyes, and could just maybe be a better shooter. :)
 
Deus Machina: I really like the way you presented you findings, replete with illustrations (photos). Unfortunately none of this applies to my Golden Boy as it's in .22 magnum. Wish someone would do such a test for mine.

Actually, it's quite good at 50 yards, and OK at 100 yards. I could mount a scope, but I don't want to drill holes in such a pretty animal.
 
Similar test with Centurion ammo

I've been doing some similar testing with my Henry rifle which has a 4x scope. Also on a basic bench rest at 50yds, but only 10 shot groups.

I picked up a brick of 'Centurion' ammo which is made in Mexico by Aguila to see how it compared to typical Remington Walmart ammo.

Based on initial testing with 2-3 boxes, I'd say they're comparible. Here's a pair of comparison targets (click the photo for larger):
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The Centurion definitely has a different smell to it than standard win/rem .22lr so they must be using a different base powder. Haven't had time to run it over the Chrono, but based on the POI it's very similar in velocity to the Remington ammo in the comparison.

- Virgil
 
I bought my H001 soon after they came out at walmart for $99. It does best with Federal Champion 510, try those.
 
Dues,

Take off your scope and throw it away. How can you draw any conclusions at all about ammo or rifle if you'd use a questionable setup?

Use the rifles iron sights and shoot groups with the rifle supported as firmly as possible, in a way that is repeatable for each shot.

Do your shooting at 25 yards, and make sure that your sight picture is identical shot to shot. Also make certain that your method of letting off the shot, specifically your trigger pulling, is not bringing adverse effects in any way which could influence your results.

Scopes are notorious troublemakers. The mounting of them, the optical quality of them, the repeatable ability of them to maintain the sighting settings given them can and do bring bad things to tests such as this. As innocuous as they seem, they can be nightmarish in effect even while seeming to be just fine. BSA has never been a highly regarded maker of scopes - it's a situation in which if someone has a good BSA scope their luck is better than most people's.
 
Regarding Henry stocks - My Henry Golden Boy .22 magnum fell out of the cloth gun case the other day (zipper on the end wasn't fully closed) and landed on the brass butt plate. Didn't hurt the butt plate but the impact chipped small piece off the stock next to the plate. To my surprise, the piece that chipped off wasn't wood at all, it was some sort of thin veneer covering what appeared to be unfinished wood. I glued it back in place.

I'm a bit disappointed as this wasn't a cheap rifle. I wonder if it's possible to buy an aftermarket stock (high quality wood with a nice grain) for my Henry?
 
I don't think I've ever heard anything good about a BSA scope. Infact most people I know have had problems however, they said that they seem to usually do okay on something small like a .22. I don't know if that's your problem or not but wouldn't hurt to try the open sights or put a nicer scope on there. Maybe get some Sand Bags to shoot off of also.

As for the comments above about the Xperts maybe he just got a bad box. It's my 10/22's favorite ammo. It won't cycle well at all with the Federal 550 round bulk packs and stovepipes every couple of shots with it. It's fairly accurate with it just that it jams.
With the Xperts it hardly ever jams and is just as accurate if not more so. I do most of my shooting with them at 36 yards and it will shoot one big ragged hole. It or the Winchester 333 ammo is the best I've tried out of it. Just goes to show different guns like different things. I've never tried the Winchester Dynapoints as I don't want to pay that much for ammo when the Winchester Xperts work great.

Have you tried the Winchester 333's btw?
 
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