Which would you rather have, RIA 1911 or Ruger P345?

Which would you rather have?


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Beagle-zebub said:
Let's do a thought experiment: Suppose that Ruger was led by and staffed with no one but clones (and I mean that literally) of M203Sniper, who shared all of his feelings on gun control and behaved accordingly. Given M203Sniper's criterion for evaluating the company (whether or not Bill Ruger came out against "assault weapons" many moons ago, and seemingly nothing else), he would still not buy Ruger products.

That's funny! Maybe he can ponder that when he gets back from his trip on one of those new-fangled dirigible airships...
 
Suppose that Ruger was led by and staffed with no one but clones (and I mean that literally) of M203Sniper, who shared all of his feelings on gun control and behaved accordingly.
one of those new-fangled dirigible airships

It's funny that there would be no ruger? I would close it down.

You don't have to care about how I feel, it's okay.The fact that you have to mock me however is very telling.

Not only does it show me that you have no moral courage but it also shows the rest of the community just how small your man parts are. Instead of engaging in an intelligent discussion you resort to attacks and juvenile stupidity. Thank you.

I hope someone new to shooting gets a chance to read this thread. I also hope your gun jams when you some goblin is trying to rape your face with a screwdriver.

Thank you for reminding me why I fight so hard against ignorance and hate. It's because of little men like you, who have no knowledge to share and must mock those who are better than you. That is why I take new people to the range with my guns and my ammo. You are the reason we are fighting the ignorant redneck stereotype. You are the reason why I joined the NRA, not because of some temporary politician but because you are so willing to show your ass to the world, the rest of us have to work at it so the image people have of us is a positive one.

The best thing you can do, the most high road action you can take is to delete the link you is to get here and stop posting. You obviously have nothing to contribute.

Thank You.
 
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That statement wasn't un-high road at all.

One thing people should consider in this matter. If we get a little miffed by someone who caves in to the anti-gun crowd, and 6 months later buy their products, they haven't learned a thing.

If we hold a grudge against those who betray up for a long long long time the next manufacturer who has no gumption for the second amendment will fear us! That's how it should be. I expect the CEO's of Ruger will never do anything like that again. They don't sell guns to pointy headed pot smoking antigunners, they sell to us!
 
+1 Ruger.

-I haven't liked grip safeties since reading about a police officer who was able to fire his weapon and end a horrendous encounter with his hands badly injured and unable to acquire a proper grip.

-The DA/SA Ruger gives you a second strike option that a SA 1911 does not.

-The Ruger's cam-block system greatly reduces felt recoil and makes the pistol easy to keep on target.

-The P345 can be had with an accessory rail.

-Does the RIA have a loaded chamber indicator? The Ruger does.

-The egdes on the p345 are smooth, this aides in holstering the weapon and prevents skin irritation with some CCW holsters.

-The trigger surface on the Ruger is glass smooth, where the trigger on the RIA is grooved. I prefer a smooth surface on the trigger of a combat gun and a grooved surface on the trigger of a target gun.
 
RE: Ruger's past political views-

Did anyone ever consider that a manufacturer could make more money selling 3 10-round magazines than 1 30-round magazine?

I wonder if it never had anything to do with gun rights. Maybe he was just trying to maximize his profits...
 
HisSoldier said:
If we hold a grudge against those who betray up for a long long long time the next manufacturer who has no gumption for the second amendment will fear us! That's how it should be. I expect the CEO's of Ruger will never do anything like that again.

No, that only hurts us. What we need to do is if a manufacturer pulls this crap again is we BAN/BOYCOTT them swiftly. If anything that WILL get them to change their ways, sooner rather than later, if they want to keep doing good business. WHEN they recant, apologize, whatever... WHEN they show us they will manufacturer and SELL us what we want (legally), THEN we start supporting them again. There is NO NEED to continue boycotting the company. Sure, keep being "pissed" at them if you want, but as long as they are not making "military/LEO" only firearms, high cap magazines, etc, the rational people, such as myself, will start buying from them again.

Do this anytime a manufacturer does this and the others will follow suit. By "holding a grudge for a long long long time", that only hurts us IF THE COMPANY STOPS BEING LIKE RUGER because we'd be denying ourselves potentially good products and stuff we want. Ruger did just that. Ol' Bill has been worm food for a long time and guess what? RUGER CHANGED...IS MAKING THE STUFF AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC...AND HAS BEEN FOR QUITE SOME TIME. There is NO need for continued avarice towards Ruger. Capice???
 
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B yond said:
Did anyone ever consider that a manufacturer could make more money selling 3 10-round magazines than 1 30-round magazine?

Not if readily available, cheaper, higher capacity magazines from another company worked just as well. Think about it... If Kimber or Springfield (or whoever) decided "no man needs more than 5 rounds" in a standard single stack 1911 magazine, yet priced them the same as 7 or 8 rounders... How many of those would they sell as long as the higher cap ones were still LEGAL in a person's state? ZERO.
 
M203Sniper said:
It's because of little men like you, who have no knowledge to share and must mock those who are better than you.

High horse...get off it much? :rolleyes:
 
Most of us know that, Marshall. But some...especially this one guy... ;)
 
Complain to get something changed.

Reward the good behavior after the change.

That simple.

Bashing Ruger today is counter productive.

I agree

Don't you think the internal lock in the brand stinking new Ruger LCR is a problem created by politics and trying to appease politicians and anti's?

I do.

When the behavior changes I will take another look at their products. Until then I am still going to wait for the change.

Thank you for actually contributing to the discussion. Did you pick the RIA or Ruger?
 
M203Sniper said:
Don't you think the internal lock in the brand stinking new Ruger LCR is a problem created by politics and trying to appease politicians and anti's?

I do.

When the behavior changes I will take another look at their products. Until then I am still going to wait for the change.

So, what other companies do you also boycott for "appeasing the politicians"? Glock? They modified their extractors to function as loaded chamber indicators. Ruger isn't the only company with internal locks, magazine disconnect safeties, etc, either. Taurus has locks on some of their semi-auto handguns, too. Do you honestly shun an ENTIRE company for allowing their firearms to be sold to MORE US citizens just because you don't "like a feature"? Did you ever think these "safety features" might DO MORE TO EXPAND THEIR SALES in certain states like CA, MA, etc that REQUIRE such things? If they didn't modify their designs... News flash! Clue for ya... The people in those states wouldn't be able legally acquire what they wanted at ALL without the modifications. Kahr just introduced a PM9 with a loaded chamber indicator and manual safety. They NEVER had those before on any of their pistols. Why? So they could sell that model to the people of MA who would otherwise be unable to legally buy that pistol. Another news flash for ya... Kahr is IN MA. Do you honestly condemn Kahr for "appeasing the politicians" by making a separate model for MA residents? Don't blame the companies there, sport...blame the politics. And, this is NOT the same thing as Ruger not wanting to sell high cap magazines to the public, so I'm not even sure where you were going with the lock on the LCR. Yet again, you do know other companies have locks on their revolvers, too, right?
 
Hey

My brand new Ruger SP101 does not have any kind of locks on it........:banghead:

Boy am I mad now:cuss:

I am going to have to throw it away or something, I guess:what:



steve:neener:
 
There is NO need for continued avarice towards Ruger. Capice???

avarice - reprehensible acquisitiveness; insatiable desire for wealth (personified as one of the deadly sins)

Huh? I never had any avarice towards Ruger. ;)

I just want to drive home every time I can that companies that try to appease the liberal antigun bunch have forgotten who they work for. Did Ruger aplogize?
 
Stolivar, according to M203Sniper, you should have NEVER purchased that SP101 in the first place since you should be boycotting Ruger in its entirety. You should have never had ANY pleasure owning or shooting that Ruger because an old man YEARS ago did something he didn't like. :rolleyes:
 
So, what other companies do you also boycott for "appeasing the politicians"?

Did you ever think these "safety features" might DO MORE TO EXPAND THEIR SALES in certain states like CA, MA, etc that REQUIRE such things? If they didn't modify their designs... News flash! Clue for ya... The people in those states wouldn't be able legally acquire what they wanted at ALL without the modifications.

Exactly. Then they would have to vote/kick the corrupt SOB's out and gun control would be a failure.
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No, I don't buy S&W revolvers because they have locks. Same with Springfield Armory's ILS lock and I wouldn't buy a Colt AR because it STILL says "LE/Military ONLY" on the lower 5 years after the sunset of the Clinton Gun Ban.

I also will not touch a Taurus, which is a real shame because you can tell that the people who design and build those products are real gun folks who care and know the score. Too bad they put those stupid locks on the hammers. I don't care about the profit margin of these companies.

according to M203Sniper, you should have NEVER purchased that SP101 in the first place since you should be boycotting Ruger in its entirety

I have standards and principles that I stick to. That is part of how I uphold and choose to maintain my rights. I never said that you had to do the same, it's your money & I expect you to spend it on what's best for you. I do not tell grown men how to conduct their business and I am experienced enough to recommend a good product when I see one.

If you had actually read what I posted you would see that I recommended the Ruger if it were right for the OP. I also stated my opinion on the company.

You are the one crying like a little girl over every post in the thread.

Bye now. :rolleyes:
 
Hey, if you can't hang, feel free to run along then. No shame in that. ;)
 
Mature PM sent to me from M203Sniper below. Might take him a while to respond because he's probably off doing 9th grade homework. ;)

"I hope somebody tries to rape your face with an ax and your gun jams.

If we ever meet face to face I am going to step on your neck & **** in your ****in' mouth."
 
miket-I have been watching this thread for days. I am amazed that a moderator did not shut it down due to its having veered so far off topic. I really see no point in the tit for tat debate that has been going on. Now you are trying to show off because you feel you have accomplished something by making another member angry. I believe sometimes it is okay to just agree to disagree. I also think maybe you ought to quit worrying about M203 Sniper & go take a look in the mirror & think about what part you played in this.
 
Oh & as for the OP-I voted P-345 mostly just because I like Ruger P-series pistols & I'm not a 1911 guy. Of course one day that might change.
 
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