A truly criminal gun

All firearms are designed to kill.

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Guess this guy is doing a drive by shooting?

Some of you people need to seriously rethink your position on guns.

He's actually a hired assassin. The olympian look is to deter attention.

A gun is a multi-purpose tool.

Some were designed with the primary goal of killing enemy soldiers

Some were designed for police and civilians to use in self defense

Some are made to harvest game animals

Some were developed to control pest populations

There are those built for no other reason than to punch paper

Others still are made to knock down steel plates

But I can't think of a single one that was built specifically for criminal use, nor a gunmaker that wants their product in the hands of a violent criminal.

Some may argue that the "ring of fire" gun companies did just that. That was not their goal, though. It just happens that criminals like cheap, concealable weapons. And when you consider that a Glock may cost over $1,000 to the gang banger who buys it on the street, it's obvious why the Jennings, Lorcin, Raven, etc. are popular with such characters.

About the only ones I can think of are cobbled-together zip guns, which can arguably be made specifically for the purposes of crime. Of course, since they come in limited production runs of one, that may not mean much.

Hey, maybe they'll have collector value.

I would imagine that every person who has ever fired any firearm at any target, regardless of the fact that the target may have only consisted of paper, steel, tin, etc, knows full well that they are practicing the use of a weapon and not merely some ordinary tool or piece of sporting equipment. There is no useful purpose for firearms other than damaging or destroying an intended target (not talking about 12ga flares or anything like that)- whether living or inanimate. Just because particular firearms are built with a "sporting" purpose in mind - that doesn't mean that they aren't still designed to kill. I have difficulty believing that anybody is interested in shooting only because they like to accurately send small pieces of metal flying through the air at high speeds - or that they have never considered even the most remote possibility that their "sporting" firearm could be used as a weapon.

Some of the posts in this thread seem like guys are just going out of their way to be politically correct.

I also would say that no firearm is specifically intended for criminal use.

I think this famous gun was designed only for killing



but not by "criminals"

Sheesh......These inanimate objects are called tools......saying that they are designed for killing is foolish.....They are the evolution of a tool.....Just as my roofing hatchet or utility knives are evolutions of other tools...But to say that ALL guns were designed to destroy life is fallacious.....

Some of these posts sound like they come from the UK or sumthin'

W44

Guns are for putting holes in things one desires a hole to be placed in.

Whether that hole is legal to place or not depends on local, state and federal laws.

One also needs to consider the moral/ethical angle of placing holes in things that shouldn't have holes in them.....like fish. Hook fish, don't perforate them, thank you very much.

Lots of thin-skinned people here. I wish more people could take the "guns don't kill people" stuff as understood, and not interfere so much with what could be an interesting discussion.

Zip guns and that improbable gun/knuckle duster are clearly what the OP was asking about. There are some gray areas too.

Going back just a little, there were a lot more Saturday night specials on the market. These were so cheap that they didn't actually work very well and some were even dangerous to the operator. One could wonder if they were manufactured with the knowledge that criminals were a big percent of the market (just as some alcohol products are sold primarily to alcoholics). Who else would want one?

There are also guns that are purchased in a legal, general use configuration and altered for criminal purposes. The most common is probably the iconic sawed off shotgun. I'm sure there must be other common mods.

But the bottom line is that the US is rich country where a couple hundred bucks can be stolen and used to buy a working firearm, legally or illegally. Any common gun designed for carry is ideal for sticking up a convenience store. There's not too much reason to go into amateur gunsmithing.

There is no useful purpose for firearms other than damaging or destroying an intended target (not talking about 12ga flares or anything like that)- whether living or inanimate. Just because particular firearms are built with a "sporting" purpose in mind - that doesn't mean that they aren't still designed to kill.

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If guns were specifically designed only to kill, they would all use highly toxic and poisonous compounds coating or perhaps embedded in the projectiles, to guarantee death even if the initial gunshot wound failed to kill them.

As has been mentioned, guns are designed to send small pieces of metal through the air accurately and at very high speeds. The original application for this design was as an effective ranged weapon, and still is. But to say its only purpose is expressly to kill, is a stretch.

A gun is merely a tool. You cannot have an tool be criminal, only the use of it in a criminal act. The logic by saying a gun of any type is criminal is folly and inherently ANTI gun ownership.

I will put it this way-- I own a chainsaw, but that does not make me Leatherface...

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design

One of my shot guns is designed to kill clay discs thrown by a machine at high velocity.
Guess that dosen't count.

Guns were designed for...

Guns were designed to kill. Do you think the makers of the first gun were interested in target shooting? Or projecting bits of metal for no apparent reason? Or even hunting? No. They wanted a better weapon to kill people with in war.

Since then guns have been adapted to other purposes. But they are weapons.

I also don't get this "I am the weapon" stuff. If you are the weapon, then why do you need a gun?

Words mean things!

Lee Roder, The Liberator was designed as much as a statement and demoralizer as it was a weapon.

Liberator said:

we can arm the occupants of the land you are occupying

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Guns are for putting holes in things one desires a hole to be placed in.

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These inanimate objects are called tools......saying that they are designed for killing is foolish

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Ok guys, so what would you say the difference is between a gun and a drill or an awl? Are you going to use a gun as you would a drill or an awl? Or do guns really serve another purpose? The only reason to place holes in things with a gun is to damage or destroy those things for the sake of damaging or destroying them. Even if you are only shooting targets - you intend to damage or destroy the targets. It's not like you're shooting the target just so that you can put a screw or nail in it, or so that you have a hole with which to hang it on a hook on your wall. Other tools are means to ends, whereas guns are ends in themselves. Not that there's anything wrong with that - guns are very useful and important for their intended purpose. I just don't understand why you guys are making them out to be something they're not.

The closest thing I can think of to the OP request would be firearms made in prisons out of plumbing parts

So, in all of the years of NATO and certain rules if international engagement no country or military has designed a weapon that has broken those rules? No ammunition has been used that is "outlawed"? Just seems unreal that would be the case.

But, I have been wrong on many things.

Other tools are means to ends, whereas guns are ends in themselves.

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That makes absolutely no sense at all. A screwdriver turns a screw. A hammer drives a nail. A gun drives a bullet. How is that "an end in itself?"

A gun is indeed a TOOL. It is also a weapon when used for purposes of attack or defense. An end in and of itself, it is not.

one example of a gun that was made with the sole intention of killing things. This is obviously not criminal though, unless of course you ask PETA.

^^eight433 wins the thread

yay!

^^eight433 wins the thread

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Noooo... the question was about a criminal purpose gun... that is perfectly legal DESPITE what PETA thinks

"Guns aren't toys. They're for family protection, hunting dangerous or delicious animals, and keeping the King of England out of your face."

Shamelessly stolen from somebody's sig line on here.

"Guns aren't toys. They're for family protection, hunting dangerous or delicious animals, and keeping the King of England out of your face."

Shamelessly stolen from somebody's sig line on here.

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Then it was shamelessly stolen by THAT person from the Simpsons