Making your own full auto firearms while deployed

If you know how to do it, sure, it is possible.

But legal? I can't imagine. Haven't people been convicted of violating US laws, while out of the country? I thought I've heard of that anyway.

Sure sounds like a fast way to get a DD. I wouldn't try it!

Haven't people been convicted of violating US laws, while out of the country?

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Some laws are applicable to US citizens wherever they are in the world.

That would be a violation of General Order 1, which would be a UCMJ violation. Personal weapons aren't allowed in theater.

It would have to be fully sanctioned by the Company (or maybe even Battalion) commander. Chances of it occuring are probably pretty slim, regardless of the legality.

i'm pretty sure you're not allowed to carry personal weapon while on duty, though i may be wrong.

mp510 said:

Some laws are applicable to US citizens wherever they are in the world.

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For example...

I'll be the first to admit to having a personal, non-issue weapon in Vietnam. There may be a couple of others on THR that did. That doesn't make it right, just want to dispel the myth that all soldiers are instantly mature once they sign up. Thanks for your service.

For example...

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As a general rule, US citizens are (generally) required to remit federal income taxes even if they are living outside the United States/ income earned outside the United States.

Similarly, the United States has, can, and will prosecute people who murder or kidnap US citizens anywhere in the world.

When we used to have freedom, of course this was legal. Americans used to also be free to bring back full autos by the dozen. Now you'd have to check the UCMJ (uniform code of military justice), via a military lawyer, to answer your question. It is effectively legal in iraq and afghanistan, but the UCMJ matters more while you're under contract with the anti freedom U.S. government. If you want to do this so much, you should visit these countries while not being part of the U.S. military. I think military contractors can do whatever they want. They're not part of the U.S. military yet they can possess every full auto you can imagine.

mp510 said:

As a general rule, US citizens are (generally) required to remit federal income taxes even if they are living outside the United States/ income earned outside the United States.

Similarly, the United States has, can, and will prosecute people who murder or kidnap US citizens anywhere in the world.

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on the other hand, we prosecute Blackwater employees for example.

I do not believe it would be wise, or legal, to modify a weapon to fire full auto. If anything you just reduced the reliability of your weapon, and most likely broke some law or code.

I can't imagine any commander would let you do it to one of their weapons (and yes, we did have some Glocks the last time I deployed).

Failing that, if you can smuggle a personally owned weapon in country, why would you want to then either need to leave it there, or try to smuggle it back?

I just don't see this as having a happy ending.

Bad idea! (Illegal, too!) Suggest you forget about it. Is it possible? What, you've never seen a production Glock suddenly go full-auto! Very dangerous, very difficult-to-control, almost impossible to aim straight, usually wastes the entire magazine, and doesn't stop firing until it feels like it.

Like I said: A very bad idea that shouldn't be encouraged no matter what part of the world you're in.

mp510 said:

As a general rule, US citizens are (generally) required to remit federal income taxes even if they are living outside the United States/ income earned outside the United States.

Similarly, the United States has, can, and will prosecute people who murder or kidnap US citizens anywhere in the world.

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I didn't know that about the first one, thanks. That also applies to U.S. citizens who are permanent residents of other countries?

The second one above does not have to do with applying U.S. laws to U.S. citizens specifically.

As to having U.S. gun laws apply to U.S. citizens who are in other countries, I'm not sure about that one. For example, I don't think the Second Amendment and/or California gun laws have any meaning in Argentina or any other country that's not the U.S. However, the fed and the U.S. military do have their laws that apply to the military wherever they are in the universe.

Erik M said:

on the other hand, we prosecute Blackwater employees for example.

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I think that involves violation of contract terms, not federal law alone.

Not sure if its the same kind of thing or not, but I seem to recall a soldier in iraq get in trouble and court martialed for loading his sidearm with non-issue HP rounds. That's probably a Geneva convention thing though. God forbid we use ammo with effective stopping power in a war zone... At any rate, its something to consider.

That's probably a Geneva convention thing though

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Hague Accords.

i'm not accautly in the service, this is just a thought that came to mind.

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Modern warfare much?

i'm not accautly in the service, this is just a thought that came to mind.

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Then who cares?



BTW, hi guys...I haven't been here in awhile.

Vietnam was over 40 years ago.
I had a S&W M60 Stainless as a belly gun in 68....

Things are much tighter today.
This personal weapons question comes up regularly all over the internet.
You think it would be worn out by now.
It would take a lot more than a unit commander to countermand policy.
What possible good could come from a full auto glock?

Bazooka Joe71 said:

Then who cares?



BTW, hi guys...I haven't been here in awhile.

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Welcome back!

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As a general rule, US citizens are (generally) required to remit federal income taxes even if they are living outside the United States/ income earned outside the United States.

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I don't know current IRS laws concerning this, but I worked in Germany for 3 years as a civilian in the mid-70's and didn't pay federal income tax on my earnings from a US based company.

... I worked in Germany for 3 years as a civilian in the mid-70's and didn't pay federal income tax on my earnings from a US based company.

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You will now that you've posted it on a public internet forum.










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