My Local Gun Store is Against Concealed Carry

I had that experience at Academy Sports buying a Rem 20ga for my son. They escorted me out of the store with it.
What did they think I was going to do? Load it and shoot up the store having paid for it and passed the background check??

Most stores do this as policy.

too many 'sting' operations to try and catch them at straw purchases. So the store can affirm that they sold the weapon to: _____ and the weapon left their store with the purchaser that signed for the weapon.

Just a matter of policy..

I personally don't have a problem with these policies. Stop shopping somewhere just because someone doesn't want me packing a pistol in their store or allow me to roam around with a firearm I just purchased??? I personally don't want folks walking around the store with a gun. It is their store and they haven't treated me badly, what is the big deal? Too many folks take too many things way too personal.

I personally don't want folks walking around the store with a gun.

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You don't want folks walking around with a gun in their hands with the action closed, possibly loaded, pointing at other shoppers and who knows what? Fine. I agree.

You don't want folks walking around with a gun loaded and secured safely in a holster? Then we have a problem.

That's what the argument here is about. A store policy that guns should be cased or otherwise secured unless directed by a salesperson offends no one. Kicking out some jerk who draws his loaded concealed carry weapon and sweeps half the room only offends the butt-head who needs to learn a lesson anyway.

On the other hand, a store policy that their customers cannot be trusted to safely carry a personal defensive weapon in public is quite offensive.

Perhaps you should clarify your statement.

-Sam

A gun shop in Monroe, WA, along Hwy 2 has the "no concealed guns" sign.

I never shop there because it is more expensive than other stores anyway.

Some gun stores do it due to past experience. One in Liberty, MO, doesn't allow CCW because once upon a time someone was CCW'ing in their shop, unholstered the weapon to check the sights vs. another handgun. Well one of the clerks thought this man was trying to steal the pistol (his CCW weapon), and a short visit from the police later comfirmed said man was the owner of the gun.

It's their shop, they can decide whether they want people bringing in guns and not tell anyone.

For some stores, is it possible that it has something to do with the liability insurance they carry?

I don't really know, just throwing it out there.

It's their shop, they can decide whether they want people bringing in guns and not tell anyone.

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Sure. Just put up metal detectors and pat down anyone coming in.

Otherwise, no they can't. On the upside, it should reduce shop lifting. On the downside, it will probably reduce their number of customers, too...

-Sam

If I ran a gun store I'd have a saign that said "All carry weapons MUST remain holstered. All sale firearms MUST be UNLOADED and BREACH OPEN."

Insurance requirement. One of our local shops has these signs, where I know the owner fairly well. Its a requirement from their insurance carrier. If you ask (like I did) they may tell you they don't care if you carry or not, but they are required to keep the sign posted.

Had a feeling it might for some. Thanks C5_nc

I asked the local Ford dealer if I could drive the cars around on the showroom floor. The son of a gun said no. Can you imagine. A car dealer that doesn't believe in driving.



So then I asked if I could bring my car inside and drive it around the showroom. Another no. Dang.

Sure. Just put up metal detectors and pat down anyone coming in.

Otherwise, no they can't. On the upside, it should reduce shop lifting. On the downside, it will probably reduce their number of customers, too...

-Sam

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I totally agree with Sam

For example, if COSTCO doesn't want firearms in its premises it is in their right but then they should have metal detectors and guards that make sure that nobody carry weapons...law abiding CCW holders and potential robbers as well (COSTCO is a cash or AMEX only business...ton of money in the stores at any one time)

Just a sign outside is pure hypocrisy...

I believe that at the Cabela's store in Lacey (WA) as well at the Wholesale Sports store, if you enter with your CCW firearm and for some reasons you pull it out (asking to the clerk to do so first) for technical assistance about accessories, parts, etc.. you have to surrender your pistol and ammo to the clerk which will escort you at the entrance at the end of your shopping time, giving you back you weapon.

Last gun store I was in Albuquerque has no such sign.

They got 120 dollars of my business for their .45 ammo they did have in stock.

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Great sign!!

you guys act like these people are anti gun and by giving them business they will support anti gun people.

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I know of at least two gun stores with indoor firing ranges in northern VA whose owners have supported Democrats through their $$$ and votes. One is on camera stating he's glad he voted for Obama because of the increase in sales for his business.

In our shop we ask that carry guns stay holstered, and guns coming in for sale/consignment/gunsmithing be brought in unloaded and cased.

Same thing with gunshows. They want you to buy guns there and they want you to give them $65 - $100 for a 2 hour CCW class but they don't want you carrying at their show. I quit going. Too hypocritical for me.

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AMEN!!!

I personally don't have a problem with it. How they run their store is their business and if something offends me, I'll shop elsewhere. In my state, it is legal for an establishment to not allow concealed weapons if they so choose. However, the signage must be clearly (no fine print) placed at all entrances. A local mall has "no concealed weapons" clearly posted at all entrances, except for one. Were you to use use that one entrance, you would have complete ignorance of their ban.

I'd prefer to see something like "no loaded firearms." It's not too much of a hassle for me to drop the mag, empty the chamber and walk on in.

I don't like this scenario :

I saw a gun store--Turners, in Riverside--I used to go to get robbed. Not while I was there but on the internet, and if one person had a concealed weapon--they may have been able to stop it.

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If someone threatens my life or more importantly my families lives with a firearm, the last thing I want is 20 people in a small room not trained in hostage negotiations pulling out various caliber firearms when myself and/or my family is in the store. Given the ricochets some guys 22 will produce, the 5 bodies some guy's 44 magnum will penetrate or the bad guy that decides to turn around firing off 17 poorly aimed 9mm rounds as he turns...that's just a room I don't wanna be in! I've seen an armed robbery 1st hand, and the guy robbing the place was just as scared as anyone else. No need to open fire at the risk of endangering innocent bystanders if the bad guy hasn't demonstrated lethal intent. Now if the bg has his weapon drawn, not pointed at anyone and there is a clear line for a shot...that may be a different story. But we're getting into hypothetical scenarios at that point....

Pulling my weapon is a last line of defense to save my life or another person's life, not possibly save it. If handing over my wallet or that cash in the register makes the threat go away, then so be it.

Threatening your life with a firearm is demonstrating lethal intent, Forumsurfer...

Let me add one more thought.

I've seen a few gun stores in "questionable" neighborhoods. Now, as an owner of an establishment would you want every person on the street walking in armed? Think of the number of ccw people (or people who carry illegally) who practice horrible safety habits, like john doe who tucks a baby glock in his waistline depending on a set of boxers 1 size too big to hold them up...or jane doe who keeps a 38 snubby in her purse un-holstered mixed in with her keys, cigarette lighter and cell phone...or tommy 2 guns who just got a new model XXXXX and likes to show to anyone he can loaded or not. How would you weed out these types from the safe ccw people like you would find on THR?

"No CCW" may be a bit extreme, but I wouldn't be offended. I prefer the more polite..."no loaded weapons."

EDIT:: My main reason would be to eliminate loaded, improperly carried firearm exposure to my patrons...NOT to eliminate any weapons carried by said patrons. As i said, I'd prefer the unloaded solution as opposed to the complete ban solution if I were the owner. I didn't emphasize my point...that's what I get for posting on THR at work. :banghead:

FWIW:

My favorite gun store has a nice sign on the door saying no LOADED firearms in store..

Not a problem for me..

I'm carrying my little concealed mousegun, I don't unload it, but I don't bring it out of my pocket while in the store either.

I believe the owners are just looking out for themselves, legally, and I have no problem with that.

There are folks, new to firearms ownership, who simply might use bad judgement with a loaded firearm in the store and I believe the sign is more for those folks.

Hey, concealed is concealed.. Nobody in the store should be aware you are carrying a loaded firearm anyway.

Just my old fart opinion,

Jesse

Threatening your life with a firearm is demonstrating lethal intent, Forumsurfer...

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I agree, but all situations are not the same. I've seen the wrong end of an AK and I knew the guy wouldn't squeeze one off...particularly since the bolt was open. I'm just saying, just becasue you see a gun drawn, doesn't mean we should start gunfight at the OK Corral. We have to use good judgement, particularly if we are armed.

Particularly in certain situations, like if you see someone robbing a family at gunpoint from 100 feet away. If you're packing something with a 3" barrel, whipping it out and taking a shot could be doing nothing more than making a bad situation worse IMO.

I've seen a few gun stores in "questionable" neighborhoods. Now, as an owner of an establishment would you want every person on the street walking in armed? Think of the number of ccw people (or people who carry illegally) who practice horrible safety habits, like john doe who tucks a baby glock in his waistline depending on a set of boxers 1 size too big to hold them up...or jane doe who keeps a 38 snubby in her purse un-holstered mixed in with her keys, cigarette lighter and cell phone...or tommy 2 guns who just got a new model XXXXX and likes to show to anyone he can loaded or not. How would you weed out these types from the safe ccw people like you would find on THR?

"No CCW" may be a bit extreme, but I wouldn't be offended. I prefer the more polite..."no loaded weapons."

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If those are your reasons, that is just a general anti-carry attitude, and can be applied anywhere.

The reason (I hope) that a gunshop would post a no carry sign is the high probability that someone will introduce a loaded gun specifically into the unique gunshop environment where unloaded guns are everywhere, and many people are handling guns, for better or worse, assuming they are unloaded.

Now there have been some good points made here about possibly better ways of approaching it with more specifically worded signs about keeping carry guns holstered and trade/work-on guns open, but not everyone has that much tact.

If you are just generally scared of people with guns in holsters, you share the same reasons for wanting no carry as any Brady folks, etc.

As a lighthearted comment, my favorite sign is on the men's restroom urinal wall at my fav indoor range:

Please, no long range practice in the men's room, your barrel is shorter and less accurate than you think.

If those are your reasons, that is just a general anti-carry attitude, and can be applied anywhere.

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I left out the part about the establish having nothing but firearms and cash inside and what I am sure are high insurance rates. While I wouldn't support the "no ccw" policy in said gun store, I don't find it offensive either. I just simply wouldn't care.

I agree with you that I will assume it is to prevent introducing loaded firearms into an environment with mostly unloaded firearms and increases the chances of a negligent discharge.

If everyone practiced good gun safety and treated every gun, including the one handed to you at a gun store by the clerk...well we wouldn't be having this conversation. But that's like asking everyone to show a little common sense, it just isn't feasible.