Double Taps

It takes a commitment...

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You're dang right it does.

It just takes a commitment to doing it the right way, and not trying to take short cuts.


Working on the fundamentals takes time and can get boring, especially when it seems the progress is getting marginally smaller as we improve our skill and mastery of the fundamentals. At first the improvement seems large, because it is. But as our skills improve, the difference it makes in progress seems smaller, and it is.


But cheater techniques don't help us. It's akin to using a calculator to learn basic math. You don't own the skill until you put the work into mastering it.

I come back to wanting to see it checked with a shot timer.

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The split (time between shots) for the first two pairs (starting at 8 seconds in) are .21 and .22 respectively.

Not bad, if the target is really at 10 yds, but it's plenty of time to pick up your sights for that second shot.....if you know what you're doing and have practiced it.

Sextuple Taps Anyone?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taxzwdnCfhc



Looks like he is using his sights.



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KodiakBeer said:

It isn't limp wristed. Watch any film of a handgun in slo-mo and you'll get a lot more muzzle flip than you can see at normal speed.

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Did you even read my comment before you quoted it? I specifically said it was not limp wristing.


What you're doing looks a whole lot like bump firing.


You're bump firing a Hi-Power and passing it off as a good technique for sending two fast shots downrage.

In all the instruction you've claimed to have received over the past 35 years, which school or instructor taught you bump firing a handgun as a technique for improving speed?


A heavy (2-1/4 pound), all steel, full-size gun shooting anemic 115gr loads will not recoil much at all with a proper grip. Its jumping all around on you because you're just barely holding onto it. It's not that slow motion video exaggerates the muzzle flip. Or that we all experience such radical recoil and don't know it.

We just actually get a firm grip on the gun. We drive it; it doesn't drive us.

KodiakBeer said:

I can't imagine getting them off this fast using the sights for the second shot. It would seem like the "pull trigger - don't pull trigger" decision would eat up the time.

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It doesn't. It most definitely doesn't.

But even if it did, since when was speed of paramount importance? Accuracy matters. Accurate fire delivered at speed is better. But a high volume of rounds downrage delivered inaccurately wastes time you don't have to spare in a fight. Not only did you miss, sending a round that you're both morally and legally accountable for God knows where, you aren't hitting the threat in places that matter. And places that matter are not that large.


You've missed. Now you must shoot another round, which takes time.


I'm becoming more persuaded that the term D-class fits in this case.


M1key's video is a good example of how to shoot at speed correctly. Thanks for sharing it.

David E: Again, when did they suggest changing technique or execution based on caliber?

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Kodiakbeer: Different calibers have different recoil levels.

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What?

You answered a question I did not ask. IF I had asked: "Do all calibers kick the same?" then your answer fits.

But I did not ask that, I asked: Again, when did they suggest changing technique or execution based on caliber?

Since you seem to maintain that a different technique should be applied to different calibers, please explain the specific differences in technique between shooting a 9mm and a .45 acp.

However, if you watch the full speed at the beginning you can see that gun is in the same place for both shots.

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There is disagreement here. You dismiss the slo-mo observation, even tho the frame in question shows the shot as it's fired, as opposed to the gun being in recoil without showing the shot. By not showing the target or the hits you can't prove your assertion that the muzzle is, in fact, back in the same place.

Watching the video again, the first 4 pairs of shots at normal speed are also revealing, especially the 3rd and 4th pair. Putting the cursor at the muzzle for the first shot, the second one is fired HIGH, before the muzzle fully recovers from recoil.

I can't imagine getting them off this fast using the sights for the second shot. It would seem like the "pull trigger - don't pull trigger" decision would eat up the time.

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You're already shooting that fast, so where does your "pull trigger - don't pull trigger" argument apply? Besides, you've already fired a shot, so the decision to shoot has already been made. The goal is to put a second shot into the target as fast as possible.

A "D" class shooter can't shoot that fast and see his sights for the follow-up shots. This is due to a number of reasons, not the least of which is, he doesn't think it's even possible....and that's why he's "D" class. It's all about proper technique and proper execution of same.

The video M1key posted shows my friend, Mike Seeklander, a Grandmaster class shooter. His first shot was at 1 second with the remaining 5 in .89. This translates to slightly less than .18 splits. (time between shots) which is faster than your .21-.22 split. And I guarantee you he saw his front sight for EACH shot.

We need a video of you shooting your technique into a paper or steel target with the camera angle being over your shoulder so we can see the gun and hits as it happens. Ideally, you'd have a shot timer and show us the readings, but as long as you don't clutter the video with music, I can figure out your split with my timer.

KodiakBeer said:

Come on! Nobody has a comment or criticism on this?

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I'd need to be pretty drunk in order to enjoy the soundtrack.

So Kodiak bear are you trying to:

a. Get any real input to improve?
b. Trying to get thread closed?
c. Trying to PO as many people as possible?
d. Why ask for comments and then not take any?
e. Like Jerry Miclulek said- "talk/opinions don't matter, the timer and the score matter".

So this "new shooting technique" you just discovered, shooting fast and missing, has been around awhile.

See you guys when my suspension is over.