.357 Casings Getting Stuck In Cylinder?

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I recently bought a box of .357 (found a deal, $25.00 for 50 rounds) to run through my Sauer & Sohn Chief Marshal .357.
Mind you, I've shot .38 Special through it without a problem.
I tried out the .357, all shot fine, but when time came to remove the spent casings, two became VERY stubborn to release. I pushed the ejection rod, casing came out about 1/4" to 1/2" and stopped.
Tried pushing it back in, it was STUCK.
Luckily, we had a hammer and a brass punch handy and were able to lightly tap out the casing after removing the cylinder from the gun.
Casing had all kinds of scrape marks on it, didn't look blown out in any way.
I tried running another six through it, and same thing, except on more than two of the casings, I believe 4 of 6 did it.

Does this sound like bad ammo, or do I need to take my cylinder to a gunsmith and get it polished or something?
Again, like I said, .38 Special goes through with no problem.
The brand on the ammo is Remington UMC .357 Magnum 127 grain JSP (which I found odd, as my .38 Special ammo is usually 132 grain, different brands, not Remington UMC)
 
More likely you need a good thorough cleaning after shooting those 38 specials, It sounds like you need to run a lewis lead remover thru all of the chambers.
 
I am VERY meticulous about the cleaning of every component of this gun, as it was passed down to me by my father; are you sure that's the most likely culprit?
Only 6 .38 Specials were fired prior to loading the .357.
 
Maybe the chambers need a slight polishing or they may have been cut on the tight side.
The ammo may have been loaded on the warm side as well. Check the chamber mouths as they may be tight as well.
 
Like Brian said, after firing .38's in a .357, you've got to clean the chambers real good before using .357's.

Don
So one cannot switch from .38 to .357 while at the range without these reprocussions? I guess I could go and shoot .357 and see if I get similar results without using .38 Special first.

Any idea why you need to clean before using .357 after using .38 Special? Aren't the case dimensions the same, except in length?
 
I go with bad ammo rather than any problems from .38's

in the cylinder. I have seen this several times with bargain ammo, and it happens in several different guns.

Try another brand.

mark
 
So one cannot switch from .38 to .357 while at the range without these reprocussions?

Plain lead bullets with goo-lube are the sure-fire recipe for this sort of problem.

If you must shoot .38's in your .357, stick with .38's, or at least use bullets that don't have goo-lube on them. That goo-lube turns into something that resembles epoxy when combined with high-pressures and burning gunpowder.

Somebody will be along shortly to tout the wonders of the "Lewis Lead Remover." Looks like a great tool if you can actually find one. Brownell's lists them, but they never are in stock for .38 caliber.
 
Plain lead bullets with goo-lube are the sure-fire recipe for this sort of problem.

If you must shoot .38's in your .357, stick with .38's, or at least use bullets that don't have goo-lube on them. That goo-lube turns into something that resembles epoxy when combined with high-pressures and burning gunpowder.

Somebody will be along shortly to tout the wonders of the "Lewis Lead Remover." Looks like a great tool if you can actually find one. Brownell's lists them, but they never are in stock for .38 caliber.
Goo-lube?
This is the ammo I'm using, not plain lead though.
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The .38 Spl cases are about 1/8" shorter than .357 cases. Carbon builds up in that area. The .357 case then doesn't have as much room to expand in. This can cause tight extraction. If the chambers were clean to start with, six .38 Specials should not cause a problem.

Assuming clean chambers, other causes of tight extraction are over pressure and tight or rough chambers.

Clean the chambers thoroughly and try it again.
 
Firing six rounds of 38spl in a .357 well not lead the chambers so bad that you well see extraction problems. I do this quit often and don't have any problems. It takes a few dozen 38spls before you have a problem with .357 sticking in the chambers.

You may have rough chamber walls or the ammo is on the hot side, or both. Scrub the chambers good and try it again starting with the .357 ammo.
 
The goo-lube residue was probably already in the chambers.

The jacketed-ammo rounds just gave the goo-rings a fresh coat of sticky carbon.
What is this goo-lube that keeps being mentioned? I thoroughly clean this cylinder with quite a bit of Breakfree, running patches through until I get clean ones.
 
What is this goo-lube that keeps being mentioned? I thoroughly clean this cylinder with quite a bit of Breakfree, running patches through until I get clean ones.

Lead bullets (not copper jacketed bullets) have a lube applied to them that attracts carbon from each successive shot. This is what is being referred to. Your problem may not be this, but it is the most common reason for sticky .357 cases after having shot .38 cartridges.

Don
 
Look at the post above.

The blue is the goo.

The blue goo mixes with carbon and melted lead to make rings in your cylinders.

The rings are typically quite hard, and will LAUGH at mere application of Break-Free.
Maybe eight or ten cleanings over the period of about a month, and you MIGHT get those rings out with cotton patches and Break-Free.

Scraping seems to work best for removing the hard rings in cylinders.
Preferably use the Lewis Lead Remover.

See http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/lid=11099/guntechdetail/
 
Causes could be tight chambers, short chambers, rough finish on chamber walls, burn rings from shorter .38 Spl. rounds and longer than normal .357 cases. These rings will not normally brush right off. Patches and solvent won't remove carbon rings. Clean the chambers as well as you can and then look carefully into them with a strong light source. You want to see nice smooth chamber walls. Anything you can see in there will hang up .357 cases. A chamber brush (one larger than .38 caliber) will help.
 
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