Uberti Cattleman CMS?... CCW?

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Hey all, in regard to the fun topic "single action self defense" I was just recently made aware of a new single action from Uberti.

For those that don't know, it is in their El Patron line, so it is hand tuned, has better sights etc... However, it is cool because is was made for cowboy mounted shooting, therefore it has a 3.5 inch barrel and a lowered hammer...

So I got to thinking, both of these features make it even more ideal for a CCW gun... Unfortunately is it still stuck with the SAA's five rounds.... but if you don't have big bucks for a custom Robar or otherwise, this may be a cool option :cool:


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"...these features make it even more ideal for a CCW gun..."

I don't see any SA revolver as IDEAL let alone MORE IDEAL (grammatically impossible, BTW) for SD.
 
Ideal for someone who does 90% of their shooting with single actions. We've been around on this before, I'd MUCH rather use something I am intimately familiar with than something more politically correct. It's about what I am comfortable with carrying. :rolleyes:
 
Nice looking gun. I have the 4 3/4" El Patron in 45 Colt. It is a nice gun!
 
Five rounds of large caliber, heavy cast, man-killing bullets is nothing to sneer at.

So long as matters are settled within 5 rounds this may or may not be true, but if it doesn't come out that way you may have a problem...

As much as I do like the old Colt's, or reproductions of it, it is far from my first choice for self defense.

Ed McGivern, Elmer Keith and Skeeter Skelton to name three well known "revolver men" did some fantastic shooting with single action revolvers, but carried or recommended double action models when it came to serious work. I choose to do the same, for the same reasons they did.
 
As an amateur holster maker, I look at concealed weapons from a different slant.

First of all, the hardest part of the gun to conceal is the butt -- when you print, it's the butt of the gun sticking out. Second hardest part to conceal is the width of the gun, in this case the cylinder.

There are ways to deal with both problems -- but they involve carrying the cylinder above the waistband, which makes for a cramped draw -- especially if you're short-waisted.

If you must carry a .45 (and I am one who does) then the M1911 is the way to go.
 
"It's about what I am comfortable with carrying."

I would not choose an inferior weapon to protect my life. You are free to do as you please. :cool:
 
There are ways to deal with both problems -- but they involve carrying the cylinder above the waistband, which makes for a cramped draw -

Cross draw pretty much solves both printing issues mentioned, as well as the cramped draw.
 
While in the army I was taught to cock the hammer on the 1911 since all hammers had to be down around base.

It actually took me a while to shoot double action on revolvers, since I was cocking the hammer at every shot.

What you practice with and how you practice is what makes you efficient; not theory.
 
My opinion of a SAA for carry has not changed. IF you really know

how to shoot it well and you really know how to handle it without stopping to think about it, you could do worse.
It's really up to you.

mark
 
Agreed, but I was only referring to the issue of printing. Besides, I look at it this way, printing is an hourly/daily concern to contend with, while the concerns cross draw raises are hopefully only dealt with once in a life time or less. I wear my medium frame DA IWB strong side twist draw for the very reason of reducing or nearly eliminating printing. Many flame me for it, and many of those guys carry small-of-the-back without realizing their hypocrisy.

This45Colt, what is a "CMS"?
 
Ruger Montado. 3.75" barrel. Carry six rounds safely. If you like the transfer bar. Inferior? Ha!! A 22 is inferior. A pistolero with a 45 Colt is dang dangerous. Hard to conceal but i would carry it before I would stick a J frame in my pocket. But then I have competed with single actions for about 12 years.

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I don't know why anyone would argue with someone else's choice in a defensive firearm. Sometimes it boils down to what someone is comfortable with. Sometimes it boils down to what someone can afford. I saw that one guy shoot that one gun faster than anyone can shoot that other gun. That's all that counts.
 
Old Fuff. You forgot the best of 'em with a single action.

Yeah, but the op is about single action revolvers, not single action semi-automatics.;)
 
The SA revolver is generally bulky. Heavy. Difficult to conceal unless it is cool weather. Reloads are a wish.

For the proficient: Fast to get into action (draw). I would carry the revolver in the appendix position butt raked to the rear (natural for me). I do the old IPSC draw in cowboy. Draw up, meet weak hand, cock sixgun on the push forward picking up target in sights and firing. Combat stance applies. Shot recovery with hot loads a tad slower than semi. Fired from cocked position (no disadvantage to a practiced shooter) with super tuned trigger equals superb accuracy.
Wouldn't have a problem with some 45acp HydraShocks in the other cylinder.

Comes to mind an old 3 screw in 45 Colt would be a light SA to pack. Trade off for recoil.

My friend is a Colt lw Commander 45acp. I still would pack my Ruger Blackhawk 45 Colt before I would carry my M60-10. If it is too hot, the semi rides shotgun.
 
That small framed young'un in the middle is a living legend with a single action revolver.


"For speed and accuracy I believe his hammer draw with his .45s is as fast as humanly possible at close range with single action guns."
Elmer Keith about the young'un.
 
In the picture, anyway, I see four semi-automatic pistols and one double action revolver.

BTW, his name was Thell Reed.
 
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