ar-15 carrier explosion

Pics are not working, but I'm interested.

Nice pics. Any idea what make those components are?

so... what happened to it?

Is that what happens when that bolt rotating pin is not inserted (that is locked in with the firing pin)? I wondered if any weapons during the Vietnam war would have been left, with that pin intentionally removed, to let the enemy think it is a good gun, good to go, only to fire it and not have the bolt rotated and locked.

Good to know, keep hand off the magazine (bottom for short magazines).

That is what happens when there is an obstruction in barrel. The gas comes back into the carrier causing it to burst. The thin part of the carrier is on the bottom and that is what comes apart. I won't say whoes parts they are because that is who i work for.

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Squib?

In fairness to the make, I'd guess pretty much any AR would blow up like that depending on the severity of the barrel obstruction, be it a Vulcan/Hess whatever or a Daniel Defense.

If you don’t mind sharing, what was the purpose of the test?

A test with a barrel obstruction to make sure the shooters hands survive?

I allways wondered how much damage, a rifle with no buffer spring and all the locking lugs on the bolt cut off, would do to the shooter.

Did the gas split the metal along the top of the upper, or did it all blow out through the magazine well?

Don't see ak's doing that Actually here ya go http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMXKo8fySrg

Put an obstruction in the barrel of an AK and I guarantee you it will have a catastrophic failure.

I just saved those pictures- thank you.

I was recently correcting someone with a 'gangster grip' (grabbing the magwell with the support hand) habit, who told me that 'operators' did it that way.

I told him I didn't care what phone company employees did, it was the wrong place to have your hand for a number of reasons, not the least of which was a catastophic failure.

Thanks!

@Buck

That wasn't an explosion, the front trunnion sheared off, most of the components minus the reciever are intact. The AK's biggest advantages are it's carrier design, which doesn't jam as easily due to how it rotates the bolt, and the magazines. The steel reciever also helps in case of a failure, versus with an AR where the aluminum will frag all over the place. AK : 1 Poodle Shooter: 0

The first auto revolver I was ever given at a tender age of ?? the guy who gave it to me said, "if the gun blows up most of the bad stuff that will hurt you will go out the mag well". I never forgot what he told me. I have seen people like you mentioned with their hand or palm over a bottom of the feed mag. Probably not a good idea during a malfunction.

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The steel reciever also helps in case of a failure, versus with an AR where the aluminum will frag all over the place. AK : 1 Poodle Shooter: 0

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Lets find out.

Im off to set up a bore obstruction and a video camera

I'd imagine if an AK were bore obstructed, the dust cover would fly off, the magazine would be blown out the rifle and the rear trunnion may be dented badly, but the reciever I think by and large would be intact, everything else probably not.

@Sam Cade

Sure love to see that, just be sure to dress like that guy did in the M4 blows up in water video did, if you wanna have a face, that is.

We will find out in about 5 min...

Ok... interesting stuff. Ill start a thread in a few min.

Oo oooo, goody! Hurry!!

That wasn't an explosion, the front trunnion sheared off, most of the components minus the reciever are intact. The AK's biggest advantages are it's carrier design, which doesn't jam as easily due to how it rotates the bolt, and the magazines. The steel reciever also helps in case of a failure, versus with an AR where the aluminum will frag all over the place. AK : 1 Poodle Shooter: 0

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How much real-world experience do you have with failure testing of various rifle designs again?

Justin, its not rocket science! If you look closely, the upper assembly basically flys off the grip, receiver and magazine. You should know as well as I do that this video have been put on here before: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=591043

Now watch the video as much as you need to. There is a Boom, yes, but I'm sure that is the brass rupturing as it is flung forward. More than likely a Kyber Pass gun.

This is what I'm talking about regarding AR receiver fragmenting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3TMh1qkjFk

Not enough for you? See it, although less violent, with squib: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oh1lyMyejpI&NR=1

Think that AR jams are not inherent to the design?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JmIQXkoog8&feature=channel

Now, I have no firsthand experience but unless the guys in those videos have Hollywood grade special effects, which I doubt highly, there is more than sufficient evidence.

Justin, its not rocket science! If you look closely, the upper assembly basically flys off the grip, receiver and magazine. You should know as well as I do that this video have been put on here before: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=591043

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I'm well aware of the fact that this particular video has been posted before. Furthermore, once it was posted, all of you AK kids started speculating wildly as to both the source of the failure as well as just how catastrophic the failure really was.

The bottom line is this: I don't care if Mikhail Kalashnikov himself built the rifle, if you put an obstruction in the barrel of a rifle, no matter the design, it has an extremely high probability of failing catastrophically.

Period.

In either event, your rifle is toast and you will need to find a replacement.

However, given the modularity of the AR platform, there's a high likelihood that all you'll need to do is slap a new upper onto the lower and you'll be good to go.

Now watch the video as much as you need to. There is a Boom, yes, but I'm sure that is the brass rupturing as it is flung forward. More than likely a Kyber [sic] Pass gun.

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Beyond the fact that the rifle in the video failed catastrophically, making any claim whatsoever about the contents of the video is nothing more than an exercise in projecting your preconceived notions onto the content of the video.

• You don't know the source of the video.
• You don't have any idea as to the origin of the rifle in the video, Khyber Pass gun or not.
• The video is of such low quality (360p, shot with a hand-held, non-stabilized and low-quality camera) that other than the very broad strokes of "guy shoots gun, gun explodes in his hands" you cannot make any sort of authoritative statement about the gun in the video, or to some extent even the cause of the failure.
• You cannot claim that the video shows "brass rupturing as it is flung forward."

You are so fundamentally fixated on hating on the AR platform, one that you have admitted you have very little actual experience with at all, that you're grasping at any ridiculous straw that comes along in order make yourself feel smarter about the things you like/don't like, rather than just simply acknowledging the fact that any and all rifles are mechanical tools, and under certain circumstances they will fail, sometimes in dramatic ways.

Think that AR jams are not inherent to the design?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JmIQ...eature=channel

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If jams are so inherent to the design, please explain to me why ARs are the overwhelming choice for law enforcement, military, defense-minded private citizens, and competitive shooters?

If these guns are so prone to jamming, please explain to me why your claims of AR unreliability do not manifest themselves widely at national-level 3 gun matches where literally hundreds of people are running hundreds or thousands of rounds through AR15-pattern guns in a mind-boggling array of configurations.