Is Charter Arms any good?

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No direct experience, but my town's firechief liked an older model as his daily carry gun. I hear the current ownership builds guns that are about as good as the originals.

You might want to snatch up that 5" model soon if you have a hankering for it; I wouldn't be surprised if they went back to 4" as their standard by next year. I myself have been curious about their 5" Police Bulldog, which is the lightest steel .38 six shooter I've heard of. However, it seems hard to find anything but Bulldogs and Undercover Lites in the gunshops around here.
 
I'm researching the 1st Generation Charter Arms revolvers - those with Bridgeport or Stratford CONN barrel address. I'm developing a serial number/model/date of manufacture data base.

Here's .38 spcl. Undercover with the Stratford address (and serial number) to add to your info. I like it...carries easy and accurate for a pocket snub.

I've got no problem with the 1st generation ones...never had one of the newer ones
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I have several .44 Bulldogs. They will hold up to a moderate amoumt of shooting. I put about 100 rounds through them a year with no problems but I carry one regularly.
 
daughter bought a new snub 22mag that key holed at 15 feet with 3 brands of ammo, charter wanted us to send it back on our dime. traded it back to the dealer that sold it to us at the same loss we would have taken to send it back.

as for an older charter i have a old bulldog that is great.

will i buy another new charter === i dout it
 
You might want to snatch up that 5" model soon if you have a hankering for it; I wouldn't be surprised if they went back to 4" as their standard by next year.

I just looked at Charter Arms website and was quite surprised to find they actually had anything so exceedingly large (by Charter standards where a 2" barrel seems typical). And adjustable sights too. They've changed some since I saw their catalog last year. Last year I don't recall them having anything over 4" (and that on a .22LR only) and no ajustable sights to be found.

Lots of pretty colors like lavendar though, evidently for the young lady who thinks a firearm is a fashion accessory. (Their ads always seems to feature a highly attractive girl who appears just barely old enough to legally purchase a handgun.) No, that's not a sexist comment; that's a comment about the silly nature of turning a serious defensive tool into a something that's marketed based on fashion.
 
this older charter .22 mag. is one of my favorite woods walking revolvers,when a .22lr is not enough and a 38 spl is too much. i can hit a quart can at 50yds with a two handed hold and it,s very light for 6 inch barrel. i never had a problem with it in many boxs of ammo, my only complaint it the extractor stroke is to short to kick the longer .22mag cases out with one push. eastbank.
 

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Cocked & Locked,
Thanks for the info.
Your serial number indicates that your gun was made some time in 1982. In Feb of 1983 they reached 1,000,000. Normal production during that time seems to have been between 35K and 40K units per year - so, your piece being about 23K lower - fits into the 1982 range.
BTW - I have data on s/n 976552 which is also an Undercover. Data suggests guns were run in model batches, which makes sense.
Anybody else have a serial number to share? Need good dates also (for the Charters, I'm happily married and don't need the other kind.)
PLEASE NOTE: I had a typo in my information - and supplied the incorrect info on this gun - CA 1st Gen. reached 1 million units around FEB of 1988. This makes your gun a 1987 piece. I was reading over my responses and noticed this discrepency, (it didn't make any sense that they reached 1 million in 1983 and only made another 90K units up to 1990) re-read the article in which I found this factoid and realized I had misentered the info. Sorry for the mistake.
 
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32 Magnum...thanks for that info! Iteresting task you are working on and accomplishing. Its hard to find info on the Charter Arms revolvers.

I once had an old Charter Arms snub chambered in the 9mm Federal caliber. I wish I still had that one. It had the same barrel length as my Undercover. Most 9mm Federal ones I've seen had a 3" barrel (I think.)
 
My first CA was an Undercover .38 blued bought in 1978. It was exceptionally accurate. I could keep a 2 pound coffee can rolling with it. So sorry I let a friend talk me out of it. My current CA was inherited from my late FIL. It is an Undercover .38 special with the Bridgeport,Conn. address. It is nickle plated (IDK if factory or aftermarket) and showing some rust. It is obviously low round count and shows no wear,just neglect. Serial #129981. Any chance of getting a DOB?
 
Found this might help start your search:)

Dear Sir,

We do not have the records for the old models but i could tell you that if you
see on the barrel, if it says Stratford Ct it was made 1970-1980
Bridgport Ct 1960-1970, Ansonia Ct 1990.

Regards
HQ
 
I certainly will Dimis..."I wouldn't own one"...Because everyone I have ever picked up showed poor fit & finish, sloppy timing and poor feel and balance. My mother-in-law had (I believe) an under cover .38. It scared the hell out of me when I examined it. "I wouldn't own one"...

And NO I don't own any Taurus' or Rossi's either.
 
I have 0 experience with Charter; but I assume as is the case with other things, you get what you pay for. there is a reason Springfield, Colt, S&W, HK, etc... cost so much. I've had a number of inexpensive guns in my day, and a few expensive ones; I can tell the difference.
BTW, I had a Lorcin (cheapest thing ever made) .380, fired about 1000 rounds through it, never jammed once. Sometimes cheap gets the job done.
 
Jimmyray,
Current data indicates your piece dates to sometime in 1972. Can't get much closer - need more confirmed dates in this time period. Nickel plated pieces were made and sold in the CA 1st Gen. Your serial number sits in a "cluster" of other Nickel plated Undercovers.
 
Harley Quinn,
Thanks for the info. I had those dates, originally, a couple years back (I started this about 6 years ago now) but found that they are not entirely accurate, based upon magazine articles/reviews and CA catalogues.
Here's what I have currently - these are rough working notes that have been changed a couple times:

The very first Charter Arms Corporation production began in 1965 in BRIDGEPORT CONN - earliest pieces - mostly Undercover model will have either NO address on the right side of the barrel or will have BRIDGEPORT CONN
Around 1974, address was changed to STRATFORD CONN - all pieces made after mid 1974 will be marked with that address on the right side of the barrel and all will have CHARTER ARMS CORP. as the first line. Sometime in 1991, Charter Arms Corp. ceased operations. This was the end of the FIRST GENERATION.
Around mid 1991, the company was re-organized under new leadership and became known as Charter Arms Company - CHARCO, and was located in ANSONIA CONN. All second generation pieces will be marked on the right side of the barrel with that name and address in two lines. This is the SECOND generation and apparently the period which caused the most damage to the Charter name and reputation.
In 2000, the company was again reorganized as CHARTER 2000 and relocated to SHELTON CONN. All pieces made during this THIRD generation will be marked with the SHELTON address. Early production of this generation seems to have been spotty and reputation still lagged. About a year and a half ago, the company re-reorganized under the direction of MKS Marketing and seems now to be if not flourishing at least it is progressing in quality and market share.
From the limited data set that I have been able to assemble so far the following serialization seems to be valid: (NOTE: model name and caliber will be stamped on left side of barrel on all pieces)

FIRST GENERATION
0001 - <13500 1964 - ? CHARTER ARMS CORP. right side of barrel marking only, no address
~13500 - <315,000 ? - ~1965 CHARTER ARMS CORP. over BRIDGEPORT CONN .marking
~315,000 - <1,088,000 - ~1974 to 1991 - CHARTER ARMS CORP. over STRATFORD CONN. marking

SECOND GENERATION
>1,090,000 - ??? 1991 - 2000? CHARCO over ANSONIA CONN- marking

THIRD GENERATION
000001 - to date 2000 - 2011 CHARTER ARMS 2000 over SHELTON CONN marking.

This is the updated (6/11) serial number info that I have - based upon around 950 data points
The earliest 1st Gen - ~0 to ~13,500 have NO barrel ADDRESS and s/n is on lower right corner on right side of frame. CA company founded in 1964, first production pieces of the Undercover model produced in 1965
Bridgeport CONN address - ~13,500 to ~315,000 1967 - 1974
Stratford CONN address - ~315,000 to ~1,090,000 1974 - ~1991
All marked as Charter Arms Corporation

2nd Generation - CHARCO, Ansonia Conn address - 1,090,000 to ??? ~1991 - 1999

3rd Generation - CHARTER 2000 - Shelton Conn - 0 to where ever they are today.

From the 26 pieces in my collection (all 1st Gen) and from dozens more that I've had the opportunity to observed and handle, I'd say that around s/n 600,000 the finish was made a lot finer - although the integrals (lock work, action) was at least as good as the earlier ones. I have or have read magazine articles that cover pretty much of the production life of the 1st Generation, and during that period (around late 1980, early 1981) it seems that CA attempted to capture more of the market by doing so, also in April of 1981, they introduced Stainless Steel revolvers into the mix, for the first time. Some of the articles lamented that the earlier pieces, although rough finish, were rather inexpensive (~60-65% of S&W) and when CA began their "modernization" process, the finishes got better but the prices increased to about 85 to 90% of the S&W line for comparable models.
During the 2nd Generation, the CHARCO (Charter Arms COMPANY), under new management and reorganized, the quality was definitely more spotty and haphazard. I've seen CHARCO produced guns with Stratford marked barrels, obviously using up old stock.
The earliest CHARTER 2000 pieces I had the opportunity to handle (some fairly early 4 digits s/ns - were uniformly, poorly fitted and finished and had some horrendous and gritty actions. That seems to have been rectified under MKS's (circa 2008) new leadership and the most recent pieces I've handled - s/n's in the high 100,000 range have been "decent" but not as fine in finish and action as the mid years of the 1st Generation. This is simply my studied opinion based upon experience.

 
I have an Undercover 38 purchased in December of 1987. It has a shrouded barrel and ejector, and is marked as a "Stratford" unit. It has a seven-digit serial number, the first three of which are "100". So, they apparently hit the million-unit mark shortly before that.

- CA 1st Gen. reached 1 million units around FEB of 1988. This makes your gun a 1987 piece. I was reading over my responses and noticed this discrepency, (it didn't make any sense that they reached 1 million in 1983 and only made another 90K units up to 1990) re-read the article in which I found this factoid and realized I had misentered the info. Sorry for the mistake.
 
MedWheeler,
THANKS - that's very good info. Thinking about the magazine article - it was probably written at least several months before it appeared in print - your data is a good solid milestone. Thanks again.
Any way I can induce you to provide a couple more digits???
 
0001 - <13500 1964 - ? CHARTER ARMS CORP. right side of barrel marking only, no address

this in post #39.

not sure what this means. If it means there are markings on only one side of the barrel, this is incorrect. My 4 digit serial number undercover has markings on both sides of the barrel...no address tho.
 
I bought a new Undercover .38 Special in July 2009.
The original barrel said
"Charter 2000
Shelton, CONN"

Let's just say I'm not pleased. And that's putting it mildly!
In my defense, all I can say is that I hadn't handled a S&W or Colt or Ruger at that point.
The fit is horrendous. When new the timing was off & the B/C gap was Grand Canyon-esque.

I sent it back to Charter & they put a new barrel on it.
The new barrel says:
"Charter Arms
Shelton, CONN"

That helped the "spitting" issue, but the cylinder is still sloppy loose.
And now the crane looks like a 5 y/o took it to a grinding wheel.

I also put a 2nd crane washer in it, which helped tighten it up a bit, but it's still not good.

Unless Charter Arms is significantly better than Charter 2000, I would tell the OP that NO, Charter Arms is not any good.
 
Unless Charter Arms is significantly better than Charter 2000, I would tell the OP that NO, Charter Arms is not any good.

And i would say forget the Charco and Charter 2000 guns and get one of the first generation Charter Arms guns.
 
Have a Charter Ul.Good accurate self defence revolver,but not a Smith or Colt.
 
32 Magnum, here you go (sorry, it's a phone pic; the wife's overseas with the camera.) The top piece is the one I bought in December of 1987. It's SN is 10023xx. The lower piece I inherited from my dad when he died last year. I do not know when he bought it, or if it was new when he did. It's SN is 982xx. Both of us used them in law enforcement as BU/OD weapons. They're both great shooters (as far as snubbies go.)
 

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My Dad got one as his first gun years ago before I was born I believe. I still once in awhile shoot it with no issues and the cylinder lockup is tight.
 
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