Cheap 9mm +p+ 125-127grain practice ammo?

Depends what you mean by "cheap" and how close you want it.

You should be able to get the 50 round boxes of Speer GD 124+P for about $15.

Much cheaper is the Dynamit Nobel / GECO 124gr, but it's not +P - about 1120fps only.

Alternatively, you can load an equivalent yourself in new brass for about $7.75/50, or less in used brass.

-z

Winchester and Federal 124gr. NATO is good practice ammo for +P carriers.

Fiocchi makes a 123gr @ 1250 that would simulate the recoil you want and Cheaper Than Dirt has it for $5.67 a box of 50. This load has a TC bullet, and may not feed in all guns. I'd buy a couple of boxes before I bought a bunch.


David

Try Federal M882 from Natchez. Federal told me that it is about 1230 fps and that the pressure is above Plus P.

www.ammoman.com if you're looking for bulk ammo

What are you shooting them out of?

If a glock.... I have heard of quite a few people shooting subgun ammo from them to mimic their +p+ carry load....

I wouldnt shoot the stuff out of my beretta or a sig.

Stuff can be had for about $140/1200rd.

That Federal White Box (Nato) stuff is really good ammo. Very consistent, clean, and accurate

But I wouldn't want to subject it to subgun ammo (though I know some have NATO ammo sounds like a very good idea.

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Generally, "subgun" and NATO ammo are the same thing. M882 Ball is one of the standard NATO 9mm cartridges. It's a 124 grain bullet at about 1250 feet per second.

The Beretta 92 can handle it. What do you think the Army runs through theirs?

The Glock 17 is the service sidearm of Austria and Norway. I'd be very suprised if NATO-spec stuff hurt it in the least. Same goes for the Sig.

I KNOW it ain't gonna hurt a Ruger P89. Ever see how thick the P89's chamber walls are?

The only guns I wouldn't run it through, personally, would be very old ones, like a vintage Luger or something.

I thought there was some subgun-only ammunition (mostly or all from the czech) specifically made for only the HK MP5, and loaded up much higher than even +P+.

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There might very well be. *shrug* Perhaps it's better to stay away from that.

The subgun ammo is the Hirtenberger L7A1, I think.

-z

It seems impractical for NATO to adopt a 9mm catridge that can be used in subguns and not pistols, though.

Hell, I'd run the subgun stuff through a P89.

Hirtenberger

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It's like a .357!

My understanding is that the Hirtenberger ammo isn't commonly used, it is simply available for use in Sub-Guns. The regular 9mm Nato ammo is commonly available, and can be used in all 9mm weapons platforms. The Hirtenberger ammo is just another option for the sub-gunners.

Hirtenberger 9mm is much hotter than NATO! It's truly subgun ammo. Don't use in pistols!

The CCI Blazer 124gr is quite snappy and was supposed to have been designed to mimic self defense loads in terms of recoil. I really like the stuff in guns that will feed it. You shouldn't have any problems out of a Glock, SIG, H&K, Ruger, Beretta or S&W. It wouldn't feed in my Kahr 100% of the time and jams a lot in my friend's UZI but it is very accurate ammo.

I called Springfield about running Hirtenberger thru my XD, they said no problem.
Glock also tested this stuff, thousands of rounds and said no problem.

I called Springfield about running Hirtenberger thru my XD, they said no problem.
Glock also tested this stuff, thousands of rounds and said no problem.

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The NRA put out a warning about the stuff awhile back. I'm assuming that they thought you were referring to the commercial Hirtenberger which I believe has recently come on the market. I have no idea how that's loaded, but I assume it would be mild hotness. I'm referring to the surplus subgun ammo that you find out there nowadays.

The Hirtenberger surplus has tough recessed primers.

I have fire hundreds of rounds of the stuff, but I won't use it anymore. I have fired it through a Browning BDM, Beretta 92FS and a Browning Hi-Power. I had problems with the ammo not going off on the first strike in all three guns. I would go maybe fifteen rounds where it would work fine, then have three rounds in a row that would need multiple strikes to set off. Then I'd fire a few more rounds, and then have another one not go off until a couple strikes. The BDM was the worst in this respect. But the hammer fired guns hit the primer with more force, I'd be surprised if a striker fired Glock would even set a round off.

The rounds were too powerful and out of spec that they would cause alot of FTF in all three guns as the slide was moving so fast. They even managed to put the slide out of battery and even caused it to get stuck a couple of times on both Brownings.