USPS Story

Carrying your gun for SD on USPS property is NOT (by any stretch) 'official business.'

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Please direct your comments to the portions I've highlighted in bold text.

(h) Notice of the provisions of subsections (a) and (b) shall be
posted conspicuously at each public entrance to each Federal
facility, and notice of subsection (e) shall be posted
conspicuously at each public entrance to each Federal court
facility, and no person shall be convicted of an offense under
subsection (a) or (e) with respect to a Federal facility if such
notice is not so posted at such facility, unless such person had
actual notice of subsection (a) or (e), as the case may be.

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notice it says "posted"

Quote:
(h) Notice of the provisions of subsections (a) and (b) shall be
posted conspicuously at each public entrance to each Federal
facility, and notice of subsection (e) shall be posted
conspicuously at each public entrance to each Federal court
facility, and no person shall be convicted of an offense under
subsection (a) or (e) with respect to a Federal facility if such
notice is not so posted at such facility, unless such person had
actual notice of subsection (a) or (e), as the case may be.

So correct me if Im wrong but as long as its not "posted" and they have no place to check your firearm , its legal to carry conceled in a Post Office?

18 USC 930 or not, you've still got 39 CFR 232.1 to deal with:

(l) Weapons and explosives. No person while on postal property may carry firearms, other dangerous or deadly weapons, or explosives, either openly or concealed, or store the same on postal property, except for official purposes.

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So, no, it's not legal. More than that, it's not even just inside the Post Office; it's postal property. So even if you leave the gun in the car, you've already sinned.

Yup, thats what I thought

ttolhurst said:

18 USC 930 or not, you've still got 39 CFR 232.1 to deal with

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DING DING DING! We have a winner!

Not a clue, but if I had to guess, I'd say it's "because they can".

NavyLCDR

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Anybody but you, and I wouldn't be sure.

CoRoMo said:

Finally, what exactly was the point of telling him that you carry?

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That's exactly what I was wondering. It wuddn't none of his bizznus.

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3) the lawful carrying of firearms or other dangerous weapons
in a Federal facility incident to hunting or other lawful
purposes.

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Carrying your personal gun for SD does not make it a "lawful purpose" under the federal code.


If you want to try and split hairs while standing before a Federal judge go right ahead.

CARRYING ON USPS PROPERTY FOR ANYTHING EXCEPT MAILING A WEAPON YOU CAN LEGALLY MAIL IS AGAINST FEDERAL LAW.

I would guess you would be laughed out of court trying to make a 'not posted' type argument also.

Federal violations are the big leagues, and attorneys earn as much as good baseball players, and sometime a lot more if they are very good.

brickeyee said:

I would guess you would be laughed out of court trying to make a 'not posted' type argument also.

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Actually if the USPS only fell under the 18 USC 930 prohibition of firearms IN Federal Facilities, then the lack of signs posted would be a very affirmative defense since 18 USC 930 specifically requires posting at the entrances to facilities AND also specifically states that no signs=no convictions.

The problem is that the USPS not only falls under 18 USC 930, but also under 39 CFR 232.1 which contains a separate firearms prohibition which is more stringent than 18 USC 930. 39 CFR 232.1 only requires posting at a conspicuous location ON the property, but there is no requirement for the posting to be at the entrance to the property. In addition, there is no language in 39 CFR 232.1 which specifies any defense for absent posting.

It is probably illegal to be in possession of USPS property without permission. You may have committed a felony just by picking it up.

going postal

Ive met Joe hill,the royal oak Michigan cop that responded to the scene 20 yrs ago......he is a very nice gentelman as is his son........he was my step dads partner in the R.O.P.D................to bad everyone isint trustworthy with firearms......and to bad joe hill didnt get the drop on the bad guy.....maybe we wouldnt heve the phrase going postal............

Hokay. Enuf.