Rahm proposes Illinois Handgun Registration!

Unfortunately, I have to say I live in north central Illinois. Wisconsin isn't very far away.
If the Illinois ban on semi-auto's passes, I'll weld the barrels full, then they can have 'em. If I can't use my own firearms, no one else will either.

Gunfit said it correctly. In a state where they are so institutionally corrupt from the inside out, the normal process to enact change doesn't shake out the same.

You can add a criminal president to that long line as well.

I wish I could move out of IL.

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You can, you know. In fact you probably should.

If I can't use my own firearms, no one else will either.

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Or you could move to a free state. There's lots of them within a day's drive of you.

I think it's time for every legal firearm owner in IL to pull up and move out. Go Galt. Let them finally have the gun-free nirvana they have wanted for so long. It would be a fascinating experiment.

this is yet another way to disarm citizens, tax the firearms and call it a registration fee so those who can least afford them are forced to give them up by a gvt tax mandate..... then they can give high paying jobs to all their political hack friends and family.

Seriously, if this passes, in this day, age, and climate, I am giving up on IL.

I don't know if it will pass, but the very idea of this person trying to get it passed is telling.

Look up his past record, it's all over the internet. This is an evil creature, even for IL. He fits right in with the power structure in this state.

The Founding Fathers would be most disappointed in IL, if they somehow returned from the dead. They would probably want to slap most of the politicians right in their lying faces.

They wouldn't be too proud of most IL citizens, either. At least around Chicago and Crook county.

This will not pass. it would be the end of 95% of all Dems. south of I-80.

DC3-CVN-72 said:

This will not pass. it would be the end of 95% of all Dems. south of I-80.

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How do you figure?

Opinion from Missouri -

Why do you folks of Illinois keep voting in socialists scum like this? As Einstien said, Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

You keep electing these monsters who destroy your great state. Impeach him for trying to break the 2nd amendment of the United States.

Or, come on over to Missouri where we live free, aren't bankrupt and don't screw the entire state to subsidize one city, i.e. Chicago. (If you vote for these people then please stay)

Good Luck.

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Its not that easy, and people who dont live here dont get it. I am not attacking you, because your post was not offensive, but people always post about how all people from IL are so stupid because of this etc. What most people dont understand is that IL is an overwhelmingly conservative state. Chicago runs it though.

For example, in the last gubernatorial race the republican candidate won 99 of 102 counties. Thats right, 99 of 102 counties. He lost the election, want to guess why? Its not the good citizens fault, its the damn chicago machine that refuses to die. Until its conquered the rest of the state is screwed.

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I wish I could move out of IL.

You can, you know. In fact you probably should.


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If I can't use my own firearms, no one else will either.

Or you could move to a free state. There's lots of them within a day's drive of you.

I think it's time for every legal firearm owner in IL to pull up and move out. Go Galt. Let them finally have the gun-free nirvana they have wanted for so long. It would be a fascinating experiment.

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Another ignorant comment. No you cannot just pull up and leave it isnt that easy. There are jobs and houses that people own. Parents who are elderly and dying, etc. Its not just that easy and trying to sum it up as "just leave" shows that you have no grasp whatsoever of the situation at hand.

As passive as we've became as a society/nation, I wouldn't be surprised if the statewide registration takes place. Following statewide confiscation. I'm curious to what happened to the days when people would have a little civil unrest and march the steps of the capital. Boycotting the machine by purchasing everything possible from neighboring states, protests, riots, marchs, something... besides emailing "congressman, etc., etc.."

Parents who are elderly and dying, etc.

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For a while, my mother and cousin were trying to get me to move back to Apartheid Chicago (of which the rest of Illinois is merely a suburb).

My mother asked me, "What if I got sick and couldn't take care of myself?" I replied, "You're welcome to move in with me in the United States if you have to. I'm NEVER living in Illinois, much less Chicago again."

Apart from ideology, Illinois isn't North Korea. There are no fences or minefields keeping you in. If you stay, it's by CHOICE.

Truth be told, a majority of Chicagoans I've known are PROUD of the third world corruption, oppression and racial, ethnic and religious hatred that prevail there. It's only natural that that sort of mindset would want absolute control over not just its own populace, but of anyone else over which it could exert control. If that's what you let rule the state at large, well that's on you.

I gotta say, I'll move when my kids are in college if these bills pass. Half of my family has moved to Wisconsin. Chicago does run the State. For all of you non-Illinoisans who aren't frustrated by the growth of government intervention in our lives.......Illinois is an example of what will happen. Most of the union folks, teachers, fireman, police, city workers, etc., hold their noses and vote Democrat at every election to protect their artificially-created, non-market-driven franchise. If 40% of the people in the USA don't pay federal income tax, and a sizable group have jobs to protect (I believe 15% of the people in the U.S. work for municiple, county, state or federal governmental bodies).....this will only get worse if we can't convince them of the insanity......

The good news in Illinois is that we are the one state out of 50 with no provision for concealed carry, and that's a glaring fact that people are frustrated with. Starting with Otis MacDonald joining up with the ISRA to take Chicago to court, more and more in the black community are starting to complain about their lack of the ability to protect themselves. Two black Democrats from Chicago (so far) are pushing back on the anti-gun cabal. Most lower-middle class people in Chicago work for a living and don't like the situation. If we could get more of their opinions on this subject publicized there would be a shift. Sadly, Chicago has suffered from conservative flight from the city over the past 30 years.

I was born and raised there. I love the town and the culture I grew up in. Literally, there are only five families (out to the second cousin range) in both my and my wife's extended family that still live in The City. Growing up, we had a house full of guns (no accidents), there was "gun court" ( a $50 fine akin to a ticket) if you got caught carrying. My dad would fire blanks out of his Model 36 every 4th of July. We had tons of hunters in the neighborhood. Now, the people in Chicago with similar values are the police and fire employees that are required to live there. They've made a deal with the Devil.

One positive about Illinois is that, although we have FOID cards, there is no gun registration requirement outside of the Peoples Republic of Chicago. My family in Nevada, although they have CC permits, are required to register each firearm. I hope it swings back!

wow6599 said:

Opinion from Missouri -

Why do you folks of Illinois keep voting in socialists scum like this? As Einstien said, Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

You keep electing these monsters who destroy your great state. Impeach him for trying to break the 2nd amendment of the United States.

Or, come on over to Missouri where we live free, aren't bankrupt and don't screw the entire state to subsidize one city, i.e. Chicago. (If you vote for these people then please stay)

Good Luck.

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Well said wow6599

My family in Nevada, although they have CC permits, are required to register each firearm. I hope it swings back!

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I may be wrong here but I'm 99.99% sure that there is no Nevada state firearms registration.

Holling, I think they do if they're in Las Vegas.

I don't want to go too deep, but when I'm in Nevada ('Vegas and suburbs) I keep hearing about private sales requiring self-registration v. guns stores doing the filing at purchase. I also keep hearing surprise that Illinois requires only the dreaded FOID card, but no other form of specific firearm registration. I hope you're right! I'll follow up when I can.

Indiana is still free. I moved here from Wisconsin. Best move I ever made. All you folks in Illinois should consider it.

I like Indiana a lot. I like the Governor and, if Pence gets elected, he'll probably be good too. My problem is that we're a tight family and moving south instead of north will cause problems with the Wisconsin crew. I'm curious to see how Walker works out and whether CC stays the law of the land in WI over time. In the end, like people living in NY or MA or CA, if my kids all settle in Illinois, unless right on a border, I'd have a tough time missing out on their everyday lives, grandkids (I hope), etc.

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Another ignorant comment. No you cannot just pull up and leave it isnt that easy. There are jobs and houses that people own. Parents who are elderly and dying, etc. Its not just that easy and trying to sum it up as "just leave" shows that you have no grasp whatsoever of the situation at hand.

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Hmmm...methinks you protest too much. Everything is possible if you are willing to make the effort. Houses can be sold and dependent parents can move right along with you. I know exactly what it takes to pull up stakes and leave home at a hard time because I've done it.

If you're willing to tolerate it then that's your business, but please try to keep the mudslinging to a minimum when someone points out your unwillingness to make the hard choices.

EDIT: I'm really not trying to be antagonistic. I just get frustrated with excuse making. Everybody wants to talk about how bad things are but nobody wants to do what it takes to fix them.

The good news in Illinois is that we are the one state out of 50 with no provision for concealed carry, and that's a glaring fact that people are frustrated with. Starting with Otis MacDonald joining up with the ISRA to take Chicago to court, more and more in the black community are starting to complain about their lack of the ability to protect themselves. Two black Democrats from Chicago (so far) are pushing back on the anti-gun cabal. Most lower-middle class people in Chicago work for a living and don't like the situation. If we could get more of their opinions on this subject publicized there would be a shift. Sadly, Chicago has suffered from conservative flight from the city over the past 30 years.

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The Black community in Chicago is a truly Kafkaesque environment.

The exact same people who [rightfully] don't trust or respect the police there, will in the same breath tell you that:

1. They don't need a gun because the police they don't trust have a DUTY to protect them.
2. That they support the gun laws (including the now defunct handgun ban).
3. AND that they illegally own a handgun for self-defense.

It has no more relationship to reality than the end of the movie "Walker" where USMC helicopters rescue American mercenaries from 19th century Nicaragua.

It's like living in '90s Yugoslavia, a Hobbseian war of all against all with no good guys, devoid of rational thought, with people willing to harm themselves if they think they might get to harm somebody else in the process.

The system has been so corrupt and so racist for so long that nobody expects it to even make sense, much less work for the public good. At the same time, people brought up in that system are generally incapable of conceiving of anything different, and disbelieve you if you claim to live somewhere that isn't "Escape from L.A." in real life.

Tell a Black Chicagoan that you live some place where the police don't operate home invasion gangs, and not only can you own a handgun, but that you can carry one most places for self-defense, and he'll look at you like you've lost your mind.

In the land of madmen, the sane person is seen as crazy.

There's a lot of truth in that, but I'm hearing more people in the African American community becoming aware and complaining.

I haven't seen "Walker" in 20 years...and the USMC chopper is the only part that I can remember!

There's a lot of truth in that, but I'm hearing more people in the African American community becoming aware and complaining.

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One Christmas I showed some of my relatives my Ohio CHL. One asked me if Ohio was so dangerous that I needed to carry a gun. When I explained that police don't have a duty to protect you ANYWHERE, I might just as well have announced that I was about to leave to spend the night with Amelia Earhart in a cheap motel on Stoney Island, Ave.

I've got a cousin who understands, but he's lived outside of Chicago. The last time I saw him, he was looking at getting a shotgun for home defense. (The handgun ban hadn't been overturned yet, I think.) As I recall, he didn't know he needed an FOID to buy a shotgun.

Otherwise, it's like trying to explain political satire to North Koreans. Real freedom and responsibility aren't on their radar... they don't even know what radar IS. That's what you're fighting in Illinois. The ignorant, the corrupt and the hateful (and their gullible victims) are making the rules by which EVERYBODY lives.

ALL reform in Illinois comes from the OUTSIDE. Germany didn't reform itself. It took Patton, Montgomery and Zhukov. It will take SCOTUS playing a similar role in Illinois. If Illinois EVER gets shall issue concealed carry, it will come from a U.S. Supreme Court ruling and NOWHERE else.