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ark steve · Mar 15, 2012

Hello, I'm planing on doing some 380, but mainly 9mm. The 9mm will be for both my handguns 4" bbl, and for my 9mm AR 16" bbl, and trying to some find good loads that will work for both. I have 124gr and 147gr, and unique, hp38 and hs6 powders. I read in a loading manual that the 147gr weren't recommended for barrels over 10" does anyone know about that? I'm wanting to use the 9mm AR for deer next season, and want a good rd for that, and thought the 147gr XTPs would do it, if they will work in a carbine. I have a range here at the house, so I can load a couple, and try them, come back in and make changes, and try again. Anyone have any good suggestions?
Thanks.
Steve

loadedround · Mar 16, 2012

Before asking for favorite loads, I would suggest you buy a good reloading manual, preferably two and read them throughly especially the types pf powder and bullets available and use this information as a STARTING LOAD. Stick with more common powders like Alliant, Hodgdon, and Winchester. Afterward come on back with your questions.

tightgroup tiger · Mar 16, 2012

I would think a 9mm (pistol round) would be one of the worst choices someone could make for hunting deer.

As far as advise for a load for this, I can't help you.

WhiteMikeCN · Mar 16, 2012

No advice however the only bullet that will cycle my MP5 (the real MP5) is 147 gr projectiles. She will not eat anything else. I know they are made for >10inch BBL

gamestalker · Mar 16, 2012

9mm for deer? If you must resort to a handgun cartridge, I would recomend a .357 mag..

ark steve · Mar 16, 2012

Hello, the reloading manual is where I saw the note that 147 gr wasn't recommended for bbls over 10" and that's my main question, if I can safely use it in my 9mm AR.
I have the 1 type of Alliant, and 2 types of Hodgon, for the checking to find which one my guns like best. I've tried 3 loads with the Alliant unique powder, and my Sig likes them all.
The 9mm for deer I think should work good with the carbine. The same fact ammo that rings my spinner with my handgun leaving a small dent, when I used it in my carbine not only pulled it out of the ground and threw it 3 ft, but bent the plate so bad I had to take it to the anvil and hammer it straight again. I believe in shot placement, and usually take out heart and lungs, and feel the 9mm should do as good as my muzzle loading 45, or 50 cal ball.
Thanks
Steve

mboylan · Mar 18, 2012

ark steve said:
Hello, the reloading manual is where I saw the note that 147 gr wasn't recommended for bbls over 10" and that's my main question, if I can safely use it in my 9mm AR.
I have the 1 type of Alliant, and 2 types of Hodgon, for the checking to find which one my guns like best. I've tried 3 loads with the Alliant unique powder, and my Sig likes them all.
The 9mm for deer I think should work good with the carbine. The same fact ammo that rings my spinner with my handgun leaving a small dent, when I used it in my carbine not only pulled it out of the ground and threw it 3 ft, but bent the plate so bad I had to take it to the anvil and hammer it straight again. I believe in shot placement, and usually take out heart and lungs, and feel the 9mm should do as good as my muzzle loading 45, or 50 cal ball.
Thanks
Steve

You need 1200 foot-pounds of energy to reliably take deer. A 9 mm scores about 385 foot-pounds at the muzzle. A full 5.56 load scores about 1325 foot pounds at the muzzle and is extremely marginal (pretty much a stunt). A normal deer cartridge like the .308 scores about 3000 foot pounds at the muzzle.

A good 50 caliber blackpowder conical load will generate between 1800 and 2000 foot pounds of energy. That is pretty far from the 385 foot pounds you get from the 9 mm. A .50 ball will still generate over 1200 foot pounds.

If you hit a deer you will not recover it. It will run off and maybe die after suffering for a while. You might succeed in feeding some coyotes. If it isn't illegal to hunt deer with a 9mm Luger in your state, it should be.

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