What to buy in a AR style rifle

I see your in austin i live in kyle call scott at bullit proff arms in buda
He has it all over ther and prices are good i do all my business with him

I love my Rock River Coyote Carbine; but I have always thought it would be the ultimate to have a Wilson. I haven't read about Larue so I don't know which would be the better choice. But I have owned a Wilson Combat KZ-45 and it was truly awesome.

This question has been asked here about a million times.

The standard response is: "What do you intend to do with it, and how much are you willing to pay."

Without that information, you won't get much information that is unique to your situation.

Otherwise there are too many choices to just throw answers up like a beach ball over a mosh-pit.

Not sure my post is helpful, but personally, I could never justify dropping the kind of money those rifles command. They cost twice as much as a Colt 6920 for marginal improvements (if any improvement at all).

Is there a particular reason you want to spend that much money on an AR? Your purpose/intended use for the rifle would be helpful to us in guiding you in your search. What is this rifle for?

First let me say that I have no experience with a Wilson rifle, so I can't comment on those.

Justify the expense? 98, don't listen to anyone that gives you any flack about your choices. If you are in a position to be able to treat yourself to what are arguably the Rolls Royces of ARs, then go for it.

Yes, you can likely get a rifle that will get the job done for less than half the cost of the rifles that you are looking at. Colt, Bravo Company, Daniel Defense, and others; but in terms of fit, finish and performance in hard use, you'd be hard pressed to find better than a Larue or Noveske.

If anyone tries to compare a Noveske or Larue to the likes of a Smith Sport or anything that RRA or Bushmaster offers, they're nuts.

Both of the rifles that you are looking at are more accurate (with good ammunition) than any fighting rifle needs to be. As I said, the fit and finish as well as the attention to detail of either rifle is going to be very good.

What I'd suggest is that you just peruse the options that each comes with and get what floats your boat.

You happen to be in the rather rare position of having to make a choice where there is no wrong answer.

For what it's worth, I think that the Larue might be the better bang for the buck, based on the examples that I've seen.

With the Larue, you get the Geissele trigger, the unique handguard setup and the Billet receivers. I'm not wild about billet, buy many like the look of them.

The Noveskes that I've seen have been plain jane upon first inspection. They are just built right. Really nothing special about them, except very good attention to detail and the barrel. Noveskes, when I get the opportunity, have never ceased to amaze me with the level of accuracy that you can get from a chrome lined barrel. I also like the fact that they use forged receivers. Pound for pound, forged is stronger and therefore, less bulky.

I am all about Larue, Noveske, etc. but I want someone to without a doubt show me that they are more accurate than any other AR. The only differences I have seen is the machining and overall quality but that does not necessarily mean they are more accurate than BCM, Daniel Defense, Colt, or any of the others out there. I have a Bushmaster, that functionally, I would put up against any Colt, Daniel Defense, Noveske, or anything else for that matter. I also own a Noveske and a Daniel Defense and while they are prettier and seem like better quality, the Bushmaster runs just as well. I mean the machining and quality on the Daniel Defense and Noveske Rifles cannot be argued against, I will give you that much, but functional wise I don't see a difference. Maybe I have a good one, I don't know but they all run the same. The only major difference between the 3 is the twist rate. The Bushmaster is 1/9 and the DD and Noveske are 1/7.

Overall I agree with Tony. If you build, I would look at Mega. Mega ARs are very nice. A couple of my 3 gun buddies have Mega. The fit and finish is as good as I've seen. However, as Tony said, you can get a great AR for less. Such as, Daniel Defense, Bravo, etc.

Pic the specs you like in any of the manufacturers listed in this thread and you'll be happy.

SilentStalker said:

I am all about Larue, Noveske, etc. but I want someone to without a doubt show me that they are more accurate than any other AR. The only differences I have seen is the machining and overall quality but that does not necessarily mean they are more accurate than BCM, Daniel Defense, Colt, or any of the others out there. I have a Bushmaster, that functionally, I would put up against any Colt, Daniel Defense, Noveske, or anything else for that matter. I also own a Noveske and a Daniel Defense and while they are prettier and seem like better quality, the Bushmaster runs just as well. I mean the machining and quality on the Daniel Defense and Noveske Rifles cannot be argued against, I will give you that much, but functional wise I don't see a difference. Maybe I have a good one, I don't know but they all run the same. The only major difference between the 3 is the twist rate. The Bushmaster is 1/9 and the DD and Noveske are 1/7.

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My LaRue stealth upper shoots 1/2" sized groups at 100 yds with good ammo, good luck finding a chrome-lined barrel by Colt, BCM, etc to do that. They don't have the same purpose though either.

As for comparing Bushmaster.....we've had enough of that nonsense around here lately. You can believe whatever you'd like.

SilentStalker said:

I am all about Larue, Noveske, etc. but I want someone to without a doubt show me that they are more accurate than any other AR. The only differences I have seen is the machining and overall quality but that does not necessarily mean they are more accurate than BCM, Daniel Defense, Colt, or any of the others out there. I have a Bushmaster, that functionally, I would put up against any Colt, Daniel Defense, Noveske, or anything else for that matter. I also own a Noveske and a Daniel Defense and while they are prettier and seem like better quality, the Bushmaster runs just as well. I mean the machining and quality on the Daniel Defense and Noveske Rifles cannot be argued against, I will give you that much, but functional wise I don't see a difference. Maybe I have a good one, I don't know but they all run the same. The only major difference between the 3 is the twist rate. The Bushmaster is 1/9 and the DD and Noveske are 1/7.

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Alright, sounds good, I will believe what I know my stuff to do. I tell you what, the next time I get to the range I will shoot 1 target at 100 yards in 3 different places and mark which rifle does what. Like I said, maybe I got a good one as it was built circa 1984. I can't speak for them all, just from my own experience.

Smith and Wesson Sport!!!!

Hey, I'm nuts, but they run and run well.

as much as i would love to have a Noveske, DD, Mega, LaRue, etc, my S&W M&P15A has run flawless for 3 years and is really accurate.

I'll give you my two cents for free.

I have a DDM4 and love it. It was well worth the $1300 or so I paid for it.

Others have cheaper guns they like as well. That's awesome for them (not trying to be a smartass).

If you can afford the top shelf stuff, go for it. All of the companies you listed have outstanding reputations and I don't think you can go wrong with whatever you choose.

If it were me, I'd choose a Noveske, just because and for no real reason in particular.

Drive by....

What do you mean by upper end?

Are you going for a price point, brand name, or ...?

Purpose?

Projected annual round count? Training?

The main thing is to know exactly what you want and why.After that,you are just shopping and comparing prices.

To know what you want and why,will require a lot of research and hands on experience if at all possible.

I have a Bushmaster and Colt AR and neither have ever had an issue. However i haven't invaded Poland with either so my experience does not mean they are equal.

If you are just getting an upper buy it online. If you want a whole rifle go to GT Dist.

CMMG M4 LE carbine. Everything you need and nothin' you don't.

The cartridge and most styles of rifle are capable of shooting over 500 yards, but if you are into distance they don't compare to rifles designed to shoot pinpoint accuracy at long distances. 0-100 yards open sights are fine and the most important thing is that it is comfortable for you to shoulder and you like the sights. If you are going to put a scope on it then maybe consider barrel length and twist rate but really it's about comfort for most people. I like my Bushmaster, Colt, Armalite are classics, and all the new guys on the block with lots of skulls on their logos I'm sure make great rifles too. There are some obvious lower quality offerings as evidenced by their price.

dcarch said:

CMMG M4 LE carbine. Everything you need and nothin' you don't.

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lol, the OP is looking for a high end AR and you post a CMMG? Did you forget RRA, DPMS, and Double Star?

OP, if I were you I would get a LaRue, after that I would pick Noveske then DD or BCM. I would be plenty happy with either but I have been very impressed with everything I have seen from LaRue and their reputation speaks for itself.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the CMMGs. They run, and they run well.
I view them as quite high value, as they have run extremely well for me. Furthermore, I believe I'm not alone in that opinion.
http://forums.officer.com/t81462/
Read the article, especially the end portion.

That is great for you if your rifle runs well but it is not a high end AR by any means. There is a reason it is considered a bargain bin AR.

You might have a Taurus that performs well but that still does not mean a Taurus is as good of quality as a Glock. Not sure why this logic seems to get thrown out the door when people discuss ARs.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the CMMGs.

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Nobody said there was but when someone is shopping for a high end AR, it is safe to assume they're looking for more than can be found at the other end of the spectrum. So no, it probably isn't "everything you need". For we don't all have the same needs.

Fair enough. But if you have my budget, it may be considered "high end."

I have been thinking between Noveske, Larue or Wilson.

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I went Noveske and love it. Larue makes very good guns as well. I would skip the Wilson and get the Noveske or the Larue.