Is this ammo OK to shoot?

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Found some '06 ammo at the gun show today, wondered if it might be to old to be safe to shoot.

Headstamp must mean March 2005, Federal Ammunition, or something, right?:)

Seven years is too old to shoot I think. Would you fire it? Think it would still go off? I'm tempted to try and see.

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Seven years is too old to shoot I think. Would you fire it? Think it would still go off? I'm tempted to try and see.

You're kidding, right? People are shooting milsurp ammo from the 40s, 7 years is nothing.
 
ive got steyr 8x56r ammo from the 30s that i shoot no problem, seriously, ammos from 7 years ago? Psh......
 
....yes what they said. Several decade old milsurp ammo is shot all the time, most of my .22 is almost 20 years old and still functions just fine. Shoot with confidence.
 
Proceed with caution. The headstamp appears to be Frankford Arsenal which closed in the 70's. Today's Frankford Arsenal is a manufacturer of hand loading supplies. What you have isn't NATO spec and I don't know how it got the 05 headstamp.
 
Being that it may be a hand load like others are saying, I would rather pull the bullet, and dump the powder

After that, You can make it your own hand load. At least, I think this is the safe bet.
 
I have to apologize; I should have made it clear I was joking- hence the smilie:)

Yes, the headstamp is Frankford Arsenal, and the date is March 1905, as in 107 years ago. It's a really old one someone shined up. I just thought it was cool to find a 30-06 dated 1905. At first I thought it was a 30-03 but it's not.

I won't shoot it, but I have shot .45 acp ammo as old as 1914 just to see if it would go off (it did).

Thanks for the comments everyone. Sorry about the (unintended) deception.
 
Forget the age. Check each round to make sure there are no issues with the cases. It may be a year old but if it was stored in bad conditions it could be bad ammo. Take the time find the measurements online and check your ammo. It may take some time but a little wasted time could prevent problems down the road.
 
that is a sweet one.

I kinda sorta collect 30-06 military brass/rounds, I wish I had a pre acceptance round or two.

My oldest is ww1 era.....

that is a neat piece of history....
 
Looks like normal brass defects with an old domed primer. Looks like the real deal to me, but who knows. Cool, anyway.
 
That headstamp indicates manufacture at the Frankfort Arsenal (outside Philadelphia) in the third month of 1905, 107 years ago. That's before the adoption of the government 30 cal 1906 (30-06) cartridge. DO NOT SHOOT IT. Date indicates it was originally the 1903 (30-03) version of the cartridge. They were loaded with a round nose bullet. Yours has a pointed bullet meaning it has either been reloaded or case length reduced and turned into a 30-06 dummy round. Typically the dummy round has three grooves around the body of the case. In any case, it is more valuable as a collector round.
 
I have shot ammo that is older than me. Store it right and it should be just fine.
 
I would not shoot it. Could be pulled down and amateur reloaded using primed brass. If its the original primer its corrosive ammo as well. If its pulled down and reloaded there is no telling what load bubba used.
 
Old ammo

It's a collector round. At least work checking.

I once - when I was very young and uninformed - had a couple hundred rounds of .45 ACP ammunition headstamped " F A 2 16 " Frankfort Arsenal, February 1916. Some friends had found it in the attic of the house they rented (old house) and gave it to me.

I shot it up. It worked well, even with mercury based primers. Had I known, I'd have sold it to ammo collectors.

Sigh...
 
Even though this was a joke thread, shooting old ammunition is not a joke.

Gunpowder has a shelf life, as it ages the nitrocellulose grains deteriorate unevenly. This causes burn rate instability and there are accounts of blowups with old ammunition. Because the shooting community is ignorant of this there are few blowups that are correctly attributed to old ammunition, usually some other cause is assigned.

This blowup is undoubtably due to old ammunition:

http://www.socnet.com/showthread.php?p=1344088

The rule of thumb for the shelf life of military ammunition is 20 years for double based and 45 years for single based. The military wants to keep ammunition for as long as possible, so they test the stuff, running chemical tests for stabilizer content when they determine that the stabilizer content is less than 20% of original, they dump the stuff.

This round dates from 1898, the powder is red.

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Also, you don’t know the storage temperatures old ammunition experienced. Heat ages powder and from this report, it raises pressures.

INVESTIGATION OF THE BALLISTIC AND CHEMICAL STABILITY OF 7.62MM AMMUNITION LOADED WITH BALL AND IMR PROPELLANT

Frankfort Arsenal 1962

3. Effects of Accelerated Storage Propellant and Primer Performance

To determine the effect of accelerated isothermal storage upon propellant and primer performance, sixty cartridges from each of lots E (WC 846) and G (R 1475) were removed from 150F storage after 26 and 42 weeks, respectively. The bullets were then removed from half the cartridges of each lot and from an equal number of each lot previously stored at 70F. The propellants were then interchanged, the bullets re-inserted, and the cases recrimped. Thus, four variations of stored components were obtained with each lot.

Chamber pressures yielded by ammunition incorporating these four variations were as follows. These values represent averages of 20 firings.

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Interesting info, Slamfire. I have often wondered about that. It's interesting to see some real numbers regarding pressures of degraded powder. My experience with old powder has been that it SEEMS to lose "oomph" as it ages. Of course I have no way to actually measure pressure, and it could very well depend on the type of powder in question.

That powder from the old 30-40 round looks like some form of cordite, and that could very possibly be what it looked like when new. I have several of those very rounds from the late 1890's; maybe I'll check one just out of curiosity.

As to the old '06 round in question- I have no plans to shoot it, safe or not. I'm quite convinced that it is the real thing, not a reload.

1. The primer looks original. It is definitely period correct and has been there a long time.

2. I pulled it apart. The inside looks like unfired brass, dark from age but no residue. 48 gr. of stick powder.

3. Correct bullet- 150gr flat-base cupronickel "M1906". These were only used before 1926.

Date indicates it was originally the 1903 (30-03) version of the cartridge. They were loaded with a round nose bullet. Yours has a pointed bullet meaning it has either been reloaded or case length reduced and turned into a 30-06 dummy round. Typically the dummy round has three grooves around the body of the case. In any case, it is more valuable as a collector round.
Definitely not a dummy round. It could be that someone pulled an '03 round apart, trimmed it, and reloaded it with the correct mil-spec M1906 bullet, but I suspect it's more likely that this was done during production, or maybe during pre-acceptance trials as they went from the 30-03 to the 30-06. I would assume that the very first '06 rounds were assembled from trimmed '03 brass stock on hand since that's the only difference.

As an amateur cartridge collector I see no sign at all that it's anything but what it was when it came out of Frankford Arsenal 107 years ago. Not that it matters though. It's been polished which I assume would destroy any collector value. It's still a cool specimen for my meager collection.

I guess meager isn't the right word. I have a large 20mm naval ammo can full of oddball ammo, but I think the most I ever paid for one round is about $10 (most far less), so I'm not what you would call a serious collector.

Thanks again for all the comments.
 
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