Why no CC at gun shows ?

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beatledog7 said:
If Bubba next to you draws a revolver from appendix carry to show to another Bubba, and you can clearly see it's loaded, what's your gut reaction? Sure, he took it a step further than you're taking it, but still, you broke the same rule he broke.
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As long as none of the 4 rules of safe gun handling are broken, I'm fine with it.

If he sweeps me with that loaded gun my reaction is the same as anywhere else, regardless of the sign that may or may not be posted at the entrance.



beatledog7 said:
When you apply for a CCW license in Georgia, do you sign a document saying that you will abide by applicable laws and regulations? If you knowingly carry where you're asked not to, aren't you in violation of the spirit if not the letter of that agreement?

The question remains, why is ok to violate rules provided nobody knows? Is that what a CCW is supposed to be for, a license to violate rules?
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We don't have CCW licenses in Georgia. We now have a Georgia Weapon Carry License. The word concealed does not appear anywhere (nor did it used to). And no, I do not recall signing any government document saying I will follow the requests of private parties, businesses, etc.
 
If he sweeps me with that loaded gun my reaction is the same as anywhere else, regardless of the sign that may or may not be posted at the entrance.
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Meaning, you're going to draw as well? That's rich. Now there two of you standing there with loaded guns, yours pointed at Bubba. Who's going to jail today?
 
Yeah, that's totally what I said I would do.
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Right. Ok, next table over, a seller has cut the ziptie on a .338 WinMag so Bubba can examine the bore, and Bubba closes the bolt then sweeps you and about a dozen other people. Since there are a number of tables where Bubba could have bought ammo, you don't know that he didn't slip a round in the camber, so it could be loaded. Are you gonna draw on him as well?
 
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Right. Ok, next table over, a seller has cut the ziptie on a .338 WinMag so Bubba can examine the bore, and Bubba closes the bolt then sweeps you and about a dozen other people. Since there are a number of tables where Bubba could have bought ammo, you don't know that he didn't slip a round in the camber, so it could be loaded. Are you gonna draw on him as well?
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I have no idea what you are talking about.

I have no idea why you decided to start claiming that I would 'draw on' anybody.

Please stop.
 
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Originally Posted by beatledog7
Meaning, you're going to draw as well? That's rich. Now there two of you standing there with loaded guns, yours pointed at Bubba. Who's going to jail today?
Reply by Warp: Yeah, that's totally what I said I would do.:rolleyes:
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So you were being facetious? Then I humbly and sincerely apologize. I'm not fluent in emoticons. :eek: I'm learning :)

But I still think you're wrong.

That said, what would you do?
 
beatledog7 said:
So you were being facetious? Then I humbly and sincerely apologize. I'm not fluent in emoticons. :eek: I'm learning :)

But I still think you're wrong.
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I was not being facetious.

I never said nor implied that I would draw.

You just made up a position, attributed it to me, and then attacked it.

What do you think I am wrong about, exactly? :confused:


BTW: After you made up the position, attributed it to me, and attacked, I responded sarcastically with "Yeah, that's totally what I said I would do :rolleyes: " FYI: When a person rolls their eyes, it is a good indication that they are being sarcastic. I didn't think there would be confusion on that issue since I rolled my eyes and since, well, I never said that I would do that
 
I never said nor implied that I would draw.

You just made up a position, attributed it to me, and then attacked it.
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In posts, 36, 46, and 49 you indicated that you thought CCW at gun shows is ok, even where not allowed. In posts 52 and 54, you said if Bubba sweeps you, you'd react as you would anywhere else. I asked if that meant you would draw. And you responded...

Yeah, that's totally what I said I would do.
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...having already noted that your reaction would not be influenced by the sign at the entrance, presumably the one about loaded guns being prohibited, since that was the point of the discussion from jump street. You added an emoticon that I failed to interpret properly. Asking you if xxx is your position is not the same as attributing xxx position to you.

So, I quite naturally thought you were saying that you would draw. Again, I apologize, but I must insist that I did not make up a position and attribute it to you. I simply misinterpreted your response to my question.

What I think you're wrong about is your stated position that carrying concealed at a show where it is prohibited by policy, and even pulling out a loaded gun to show to another patron, is ok.
 
The below post is not simply asking me what I meant:
beatledog7 said:
Meaning, you're going to draw as well? That's rich. Now there two of you standing there with loaded guns, yours pointed at Bubba. Who's going to jail today?
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I carry a handgun often to gun shows, but it is concealed and not a gun I plan on selling or trading. If I planned on trading or selling it, it would be unloaded and zip tied.
 
I agree with most there should be no CC at gun shows. There is too much temptation to pull out the loaded weapon to show it to a dealer, or buyer, etc.........There are not many safe directions to clear a weapon in a crowd and there are so many guns being handled it is best to know they are all unloaded.
 
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Note also that this was phrased as a question, and as such it left you an opening to say that I was mistaken and that this was not your position. If you had done so this would have never taken the turn that it took.

You chose to answer positively but with sarcasm rather than simply clarify, and I missed the sarcasm. I apologize (a third time) for the misunderstanding, but I did not make up a position and call it yours.

The statement that led me to ask was this:

If he sweeps me with that loaded gun my reaction is the same as anywhere else, regardless of the sign that may or may not be posted at the entrance.
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We're clear that you would not draw, and I'm happy you wouldn't. But we still don't know what your reaction would be.
 
beatledog7 said:
We're clear that you would not draw, and I'm happy you wouldn't. But we still don't know what your reaction would be.
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If you would like to discuss reactions to be swept by a loaded gun, start a thread on the topic. ;)
 
Depends on the laws of the state. In Florida, there is no 'exemption' to the legal statutes for signs posted. e.g. they have zero legal force.

OTOH: the ones I have been to, they have a police officer asking you if you have any firearms. Lying to an officer brings its own risks.
 
The local TX shows used to allow carry unti - guess what!

Talked to the show manager. He had to put up 30.06 signs and hated it because it sent the wrong message.

I can see the point. At a range, I had a guy walk up to us with a Glock 23 in his grip and slightly out of battery. Said it didn't work and wanted advice. We learned to teleport that day.
 
I'm not breaking any law or regulation of any kind. Other people do not get to choose when I can and cannot carry, because my state has pre-emption. It is precisely for situations like this that the law was enacted.

Again, it really sounds like you are only angry because my state's laws are more permissive than yours.
 
In case y'all missed it

My post is that I carry CONCEALED at all venues that I can do so with confidence that it is CONCEALED.

That way I am NOT at a "gun free zone".

That means I might be alive if threatened by an armed perp that did not read or heed the rules of a "gun free zone"[ see Colo. theater MURDER ].

I also posted that IF for ANY reason you draw a LOADED gun at a gun show = you SHOULD be arrested and charged with reckless endangerment and menacing.

In NYS that is an easy to apply law as it is already on the books of the NYS Penal law.

THE highest authority you will answer to is the Lord,and I dont plan on meeting him earlier than I need to.

And as I noted there are NO officers of the law at the MANY shows I attend and set up at.
 
We have police officers at the table where we pay to get in. They check and tie strap all guns on the way in. Naturally you could hide one, but you will be breaking the rules and if caught it will not be pretty.

We, gun owners, are under constant scrutiny, and the antis would love nothing better than to shut gun shows down. An accidental shooting or an arrest at a show would definitely make the news.
 
The reasons I see is because of insurance and idiots thinking it's okay to try holsters with a loaded gun and sweeping people in the process. They don't intend harm, they just lack common sense. By seeing the sign about no loaded guns, they may think it's illegal to carry loaded and not bring their loaded gun inside.
 
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