I broke down and cleaned it. Argh!

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I was really fighting my inner neat freak, trying to let my Armalite M15A2C go until it wouldn't run, just giving the bolt carrier a wipe down and a shot of CLP after each range session. But between that nagging feeling and the fact that I literally couldn't handle the rifle without getting black stains on myself, I finally couldn't leave it be any longer.

After today, I figure it was somewhere around 3,000 rounds since the last cleaning, 90% Wolf & Tula. It still hadn't hiccupped even once.

What's the longest any of you have gone without cleaning your AR or another gun?





As an aside, today was the first time running it with the UTG quad rails, Troy Claymore muzzle brake and Sightmark Mini Shot. With all the accessories, it tips the scales at 9.02 lbs empty, and it is an amazingly soft shooting rifle with almost no muzzle rise. At 50 yards off hand, I was able to empty a 30 round mag into 6.3" in 17 seconds.

It's the top rifle:

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I know 9 lbs sounds heavy, but also consider that includes everything you see here, plus 3 CR123 batteries in the VFG, a 2032 battery, allen wrench and small flat head screwdriver in the grip, and a spare extractor and a couple of allen wrenches in the stock, and 4 pieces of rail cover added post photo.

The Mini Shot was obviously installed after the picture was taken. It's no Trijicon RMR, but considering that I got it for $48 shipped, I'm pretty happy with it. It holds zero just fine, and is very user friendly. Only complaint is the distortion in low light, but it's tolerable. The dot is advertised as 3 MOA, but it's closer to 6 or 7 when installed at a normal eye relief. At 120 yards, it pretty much obscures the 8" black zone of the targets I was using.
 
I never have been interested in seeing how long mine would go without cleaning. But whatever makes one happy.

A gun range friend rents guns and some are going on 3 years without a cleaning, only the occasional squirt of BF CLP so I know it can be done.

One of the range guns was sold so I broke down and cleaned it for the guy before he picked it up......A 5 minute job took me more like 20 so for me if I shoot one when finished, I clean and oil, mine still look new in and out but that is just my preference..
 
How do you like the claymore?

Love it. It definitely directs the blast forward. Not as effectively as the Noveske flaming pig (KX3), but the Claymore is $60, the KX3 is $140. I run the pig on my 7.5" soon-to-be-SBR pistol

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The other upper for this pistol is en route, an 11" DSA flat top. It'll receive a UTG pro FF 13" quad rail and another Claymore, which will just barely poke out of the QR.
 
Looks like a Magpul ACS.

It's the ACS-L. With batteries in the VFG, I didn't need the storage tubes along the sides of the ACS, and I like the slimmer profile of the -L variant.

I originally bought the stock for when my SBR stamp comes back, but the ACS and ACS-L are a good bit longer than an M4, MOE or CTR when fully retracted, so I decided to put it on the Armalite and ordered a CTR for the SBR.
 
If you're gona wipe down the bolt and apply lube it aint really a "torture test". In my experience enough lube can make just about any mechanical device actuate. Nothing against the AR, i have quite a few, but i'm far more impressed in the reliability department by a gun that can run bone dry.
 
I chose the Vltor A5 with the EMOD. I wasn't sure how I would like the storage tubes on the side, like you also preferring the slimmer profile stocks, but found it quite comfy and didn't snag my beard at all. I'll see about the cheekweld after i get the rifle fully assembled and off to the range.

As far as torture tests are concerned I think the phrase is over used. To me, a torture test would be running a firearm outside of its design parameters. Once a devise is operated past its design limitations any data is useless. Conducting a limited test of running a rifle with no cleaning and minimal lube in an effort to define those limitations, I don't think, is especially tortuous.
 
To me, a torture test would be running a firearm outside of its design parameters. Once a devise is operated past its design limitations any data is useless.

I would argue that operating in conditions that could be experienced in real world use is very useful data, regardless of "design parameters". Realistically no gun is designed to need x amount of lubrication. Rather a gun is designed and then testing determines how much lubrication is needed.

I would also say that a gun which can operate in extreme conditions reliably is going to be less prone to malfunctions in ideal conditions.
 
i'm far more impressed in the reliability department by a gun that can run bone dry.

Any autoloader will suffer for it. Galling will happen. Chromed or nickel boron coated stuff will take it better, but will still be damaged over time. I'm not trying to destroy my rifle. I don't have the money to do your kind of "torture test".

would you recommend the tlr1 hp over the tlr1 for varmint hunting inside 100m?

They're both very bright. Inside 100 yards/meters, the more focused beam of the HP isn't necessary, and you do not get as much peripheral illumination with it. However, the light on target with the HP will be more focused. The HP throws a bright beam really far.

So yeah, I think the HP is superior for outdoor applications like varmint or predator hunting. The standard is more appropriate for indoor or other close quarters use. There's not much price difference between the two anyway. I paid $107 shipped for the HP from Amazon; I think the standard is $95.
 
Any autoloader will suffer for it. Galling will happen. Chromed or nickel boron coated stuff will take it better, but will still be damaged over time. I'm not trying to destroy my rifle. I don't have the money to do your kind of "torture test".

Sure any gun will eventually malfunction but the question is how long will it take as well as how long will lubricant remain. I'm not going to "torture test" my own rifles either or do any other excessive reliability test. Dirt between moving parts can also induce accelerated wear so i tend to also clean my weapons regularly.
 
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