CCI .22 Stinger.....

Firefights are won by superior firepower

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firefights are won by superior training....you could have a .50 BMG with 100 rounds of ammo, dont mean you can hit anything.

if i was going into a gunfight, ide rather have to fight bubba with a .50 than an olympic shooter with a .22

Most self defense scenarios takes place within 12 yards. The scenario with Bubba and his .50 cal is a bit extreme and doesn't make much sense with the conversation at hand.

Most self defense scenarios takes place within 12 yards. The scenario with Bubba and his .50 cal is a bit extreme and doesn't make much sense with the conversation at hand.

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range also has little to do with accuracy. according to 2005 statistics, NYPD hit their target 43% of the time at ranges of less than 6'.

http://www.defensivecarry.com/forum...nypd-2006-hit-ratio-gunfights.html#post559679

but to make my analogy fit the scenario a tad better. ide still rather take my chances against bubba with a .45 than i would an olympic shooter with a .22

Yeah.... Olympic Shooter fits the scenario pretty good.

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Hard on the extractors.

How about on the 10/22? Ammo like Aguila Interceptor too hard on the 10/22?

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They took out a lot of 10/22 extractors in the early '80s. I think Ruger has changed the composition of the metal in the extractors since then. A 10/22 will function without an extractor as long as you shoot to empty.

Just anecdotally speaking, my U.S.-made stainless Walther TPH LOVES CCI Stingers -- gobbles them up like candy. For those of you who know that model of Walther, they have had some reputation for being finicky. Honestly, my TPH has been pretty reliable even with bulk Federal ammo, but the CCI Stingers feed like a perfect fusion of cartridge to machine. I don't know if it's the form factor of the Stinger, or the fact that maybe the TPH just likes the "hotter" rounds, or some combination thereof -- in any case, if it's gotta love a round, I'm glad it's the Stinger...


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I've had the best results in my 77/22 with good old Winchester Super X, both RN and HP.

Mark II Target Model prefers RN Super X or CCI Mini Mags about the same.

TPH likes Mini Mags. Functions fine with Stingers and Velocitors.

Single Six don't care.

Archangel14 said:

Was at the range yesterday and put a box of the CCI Stinger .22LR through my Ruger 22/45. Not a hiccup. And I must say, I was very surprised at the effectiveness of this little round. Fast, accurate, and more powerful than I expected.

So this begs the question: what the heck is stopping someone from using this cheap, effective ammo as a SD round? I'm not talking home defense here, I'm suggesting the kind of "post-disaster" scenario that we may encounter around the neighborhood. I'm thinking that .22 Stinger in a Ruger 10/22 carbine would make a frightful paring. No? What are your thoughts?

Thanks!

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It`s what I use in my H&R 922 CC...............

For a serious social situation use something with around 400fpe or more and with a well designed bullet.

#4 buck is actually .24". 00 is .33".

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Oops! Brain clutch is slipping I guess. I actually did know that. Really. Seriously.

BTW if Bubba can get off a bunch of rounds he only has to get lucky with one of them. An Olympic shooter would have to have some luck too. The thing is if they can stand back and take shots at you they will likely hit you. But a firefight is a blood and guts, hard charging thing to do if you do it right. That's what most training will teach you. Don't give up just because someone might hit you once. If I'm bubba with a .50 I can end a scrap real quick with a single shot to center mass or at least I'm very likely to end it. And another thing training will teach you is that a .22 is not as good as a .50. I'd say that's a big part of training. It's like not taking a knife to a gun fight. You just shouldn't do it because you are starting off with a disadvantage. That's the training I got anyway. A .22 is better than a sharp stick usually but even that isn't always true. If a person can use an atl atl they can be pretty effective with sharp sticks. Again, that's part of training.

I take a look at the pros at this sort of thing and I don't see them using .22's. I figure that says a lot. Aren't they trained better than anyone?

If a .22 worked so well why wouldn't at least one army use them as a primary weapon? They rarely get used by any army for anything. Those guys have the best training there is and they don't use .22's. IMO following the example of the real pros is the best training you can get. And those pros don't use .22's.

Heck if I was on a battlefield I would think it would be great to carry my Marlin 795 around all day. Light weight, fast shooting and accurate and I can carry a few thousand rounds fairly easy.

So why doesn't that happen on battlefields? It's because you can't put 10 in someone's chest real quick even if you're Sgt. York or Audie Murphy.

CCI Stingers are great varmint round, I have used them since the mid 70's.
IIRC the velocity is around 1,760 from a 10/22. I've tried the Aguila equal and found them to be inaccurate.
My S&W 422 loves Stingers.

Time for a quick reality check on .22's, regular, HV, whatever. I compete in action rifle shooting once a month. Action rifle closely mimics what happens during actual gunfights: Rapid fire, magazine changes while moving about, avoiding hitting no-shoots, etc. Regular target shooting at a paper target is not the way to see if a gun is reliable or practically accurate. Usually there at about 10 people on the rimfire squad. And 20 or more would be shooting center fire. I can tell you from personal experience as well as watching others shoot rimfire, that the .22 is a darn finicky caliber. Seen numerous FTF, FTE, underpowered rounds, etc etc. At least twice the rate of failures compared to centerfire (this includes pistol caliber rifles, btw). So would I rely on a .22 to save my life or the life of my family if I had the choice of a centerfire carbine? Hell no. Is a .22 better than a slingshot? Hell yes.

Time for a quick reality check on .22's, regular, HV, whatever. I compete in action rifle shooting once a month. Usually there at about 10 people on the rimfire squad. And 20 or more would be shooting center fire. I can tell you from personal experience as well as watching others shoot rimfire, that the .22 is a darn finicky caliber. Seen numerous FTF, FTE, underpowered rounds, etc etc. At least twice the rate of failures compared to centerfire (this includes pistol caliber rifles, btw). So would I rely on a .22 to save my life or the life of my family if I had the choice of a centerfire carbine? Hell no. Is a .22 better than a slingshot? Hell yes.

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you know, i hear everyone say how unreliable a .22 is.......and i dont know if ive just been lucky, but i dont see it.

i shoot several thousand rounds of .22lr a year.....i have had almost 0 issues.

the only FTEs ive had have been with heavy lubed ammo in tight match chambers....and those are a rare occurrence.

and i think ive had maybe 2-3 fail to fires, ever...which may have been due to the ammo being left in a cold car for a few weeks.

other than those few incidents, ive been problem free.

if you have a well made gun, keep it clean, and feed it half decent ammo....it should be just as reliable as any centerfire.

Huh?

I'm not too sure I believe THe Count. I've got a 10/22 that I've put thousands of rounds thru with hardly any failures to fire.
But, let me clarrify that: depends on what I'm shooting.
I've had all kinds of problems with the super cheap bulk Remington ammo, bullets loose in the cases and stuff like that. Winchester wasn't much better.
Federal seemed better made but not accurate in my gun.
SO, I shoot only CCI and Wolf thru my 10/22 and it's been problem free for years. Scoped and with the Wolf ammo, it's scary-accurate and I wouldn't hesitate for a second to grab the 10/22, thru in a Wolf or CCI loaded mag and defend myself with it if needed.

Archangel14 said:

Ahhh....I hate to see little squirrels get blasted. I love squirrels.

But, do you see the damage the Stinger round did? Imagine you're running around after a major disaster, hood over your face, re-bar in your hand, beating a 92 year old woman and thereafter intending to break into the nice house down the road with your 9 buddies. How fast would your ideas change if you unexpectedly got smacked in the chest with one of those rounds? Would you dig in a yell out, "we have to take that house!" Not me. I'm thinking that all one needs is a simple 10/22 with some high velocity ammo.

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I love squirrels to.............Fried !

The 10 22 is an awesome rifle as long as it is kept clean. Hi cap mags just extend its usefulness or lethality. Tree rats beware.

the count said:

I can tell you from personal experience as well as watching others shoot rimfire, that the .22 is a darn finicky caliber. Seen numerous FTF, FTE, underpowered rounds, etc etc. At least twice the rate of failures compared to centerfire (this includes pistol caliber rifles, btw).

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That is my continuing experience with bulk .22 ammo. Lesser so with higher quality .22 ammo like Mini Mags, Stingers, and the like.

The 22 is not the perfect SD round but it is far better than nothing. Little 22s can easily fit in most pockets too.

I'm thinking that a few shots at a target 100 yards away from a hi-velocity .22 is enough to get someone's attention.

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Why would you want to get the attention of someone most likely carrying something (if they really are up to no good) much more effective than your .22? Sounds like a good way to learn the difference in effectiveness between a .22 and a .223, .308, or .30-06 from the wrong end of the gun.

If I'm going to take a shot at an aggressor that needs to be stopped (why else would you shoot?), it's going to be with the most effective round available. That's not going to be a .22 except as a last resort.

...I'll bet that if you were shot in the face with my .22 & stingers at 100 yards or less, you wouldn't do much with your 30-06. A good .22 at those ranges will be easier handling, faster shooting, and likely just as, if not more accurate than a comparable type centerfire. Would I prefer an AR? Probably, but I don't have an AR, and inside 100 yards, I'll still take my BL-22 over my 91-30...

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Yea but that sounds like murder, not self defense. Learn how to use and carry a powerful and accurate pistol and you'll be ahead of the game.

A lawyer, criminal defense at that, recommending warning shots. Really! And since when does a .22 LR measure up to blasting. Popping maybe?

I tested the Winchester Super X 40 gr RN in my semi auto Walther G 22 (20 inch barrel). At 15 yds, it penetrated a 2 inch thick beam. Im quite impressed and have no doubt it can stop someone on his tracks at close range with rapid fire.

Remember .22 s were used in mass shooting from the VA Tech to Columbine. They are lethal especially hitting chest and head.

Yeah, I was aware of that. I don't know why either. The Mark II is built like a tank and I really can't imagine that you'd get that much extra pressure from a Stinger as to jeopardize the pistol. Just looking at the chamber reveals a very thick, solid firearm. We're talking .22's here. I wonder what Ruger's basis is?

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It's the bolt velocity caused by hyper velocity ammo that causes problems. There are pictures over at rimfirecentral of Mark IIs that have had their frames and take down pins beaten up by Stingers.

Stingers are good ammo, but IMO Velocitors are a better choice. The 40 grain bullets buck the wind and hold their velocity much better than the 32 grain Stinger bullets. Velocitors tend to be more accurate (at least in my rimfires) and should penetrate deeper in critters larger than squirrels.

At 100 yards the 40 grain Velocitors are rated at 1084 fps/104 fpe, the 32 grain Stingers are only doing 1066 fps/81 fpe.

Another issue with Stingers is they don't shoot to the same point of aim as other ammo. I get Velocitors and most other ammo to group in the same spot at 50 yards, but Stingers are always high and left by a couple inches in both my 10/22 and my CZ Scout.

Velocitors are my survival rimfire ammo.

Yes, the stingers are particularly mentioned in the 10-22 manual as not recommended for the heavy barrelled target model.