MI, you win some and you lose some

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Well, I'm sure we all know Gov. Snyder vetoed the ending of gun free zones (criminal empowerment zones). But at least he signed HB5225, this one was under the radar, especially as far as the local press. But the handgun permit/registration system (at lest for all sales by FFL dealers) is done! And all localities and the MSP are required to destroy all registration records within six months!

Under HB 5225, sponsored by State Rep. Paul Opsommer, R-Dewitt,
the process of purchasing a handgun is streamlined, allowing a person to obtain a permit to purchase at any law enforcement agency formerly restricted to one’s local police or sheriff’s department.
The bill also extends the time of a gun purchase permit from by 20 days and eliminates the purchase permit requirement for handguns sold through federally licensed firearms dealers.
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http://www.michronicleonline.com/index.php/local/breaking-news/9054-snyder-oks-two-gun-bills
 
I'm a little confused myself.

I'm gonna have to read the bill as it was signed. It went through a few revisions before it landed on Snyders desk. Last version I read still had the purchase permit and registration intact. It made some changes to the length of time the permit is good for, and a few other minor alterations. But if the registration is in fact gone, I consider this a big win. SB59 getting vetoed wasn't a big loss, as my kids school will find out (OC is still legal in PFZs with a CPL).
 
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Congrats guys!

Does this mean the records still exist for private sales? I'm a little lost on the second part.
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According to the PDF and article I saw the MSP and local agencies have six months to destroy all pistol registration records. The only exception are guns involved in current investigations. You will still have to get a permit for private sales, but they will be good for 20 days, not ten.
 
What is the point of the purchase permit then? I'm glad the registration is gone, but if we could have gotten rid of the permit as well.

Oh well, I'm getting my CPL, so I won't need to worry about it. Unless they changed that.
 
I had heard from another source that the ending of gun free zones actually had hidden portions that were bad for gun rights... like 1 step forward, 2 steps back type of thing. So maybe it was for the best?
 
I had heard from another source that the ending of gun free zones actually had hidden portions that were bad for gun rights... like 1 step forward, 2 steps back type of thing. So maybe it was for the best?
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I mentioned this in another thread, but I don't believe HB59 would NOT have been a win. We would have been able to CC in PFZ's, but given up OC, and signs would have now held force of law. I'm glad it was vetoed.
 
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What is the point of the purchase permit then? I'm glad the registration is gone, but if we could have gotten rid of the permit as well.

Oh well, I'm getting my CPL, so I won't need to worry about it. Unless they changed that.
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The point of purchase permit is only for private person to person sales. This is because private individuals don't have access to NICS. So you still have to get a background check to buy a pistol, either a NICS check at a dealer or a point of purchase permit to buy from a private individual ( a good thing IMO). I actually wish they would extend the private purchase thing to long guns.

The most critical thing is this:

1) This will make dealer sales with a CPL much faster, for both the dealers and customer, no NICS check or pistol permit to type up.

2) This eliminates a pistol registry, not only is it none of the states business, how many and what guns I own. But the idea that there is a data base out there that a thief could get access too is dangerous.
 
Congrats where you are victorious!

As for the rest, keep the pressure on. To quote from another post I made a while back...
Understand that sometimes the point actually isn't to win, the point is to keep the pressure on...constantly.
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59 got so broad that it became unacceptable. Why are these guys so into passing more laws and making an already confusing knot of disparate laws even worse, instead of working to have much of the existing law REPEALED? Law in the '30s allowed for CC in PFZs under CPL from MI or ANY OTHER STATE. Only when we went shall issue in the 90s and us non-elite peons were allowed to get CPLs did we get the added 'no CC' rules added. Since there is no history of school shootings by licensees, why not just repeal the new law?
 
Lenght that permit is valid changed from 10 days to 30 days. (not 20)

Requirement to get purchase permit for private sale changed from YOUR local police station. To any police station in michigan.

Non cpl holders no longer need to get pistol purchase permit if buying from f.f.l.. they will have paperwork to fill out. (and that paperwork does NOT need to be notorized)

Do not know if indvidual sale pistol permit has to be notorized....do not know if individual pistol permit has to be returned to police station issued...( in case there is that question)
 
Understand that sometimes the point actually isn't to win, the point is to keep the pressure on...constantly
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Absolutely! But there wouldn't have been a problem if what was originally our bill did pass, because in the end it wasn't our bill any longer, it was theirs.
 
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I just called a gun shop in MI---they said you still have to go to your local police agency & get a purchase permit even to buy at a gun shop
unless you have a CPL
 
HB 5225 is the number i believe. It was signed to go into imediate activation but because there was no date and nothhing has been issued from Michigan State Police yet it is advised on a few web sites that we ( Michigan) continue doing it as we have been till full impimantation which is assumed to be first of the year.
 
I just called a gun shop in MI---they said you still have to go to your local police agency & get a purchase permit even to buy at a gun shop
unless you have a CPL
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They're waiting on directions from MSP.
 
I just called a gun shop in MI---they said you still have to go to your local police agency & get a purchase permit even to buy at a gun shop
unless you have a CPL
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It sure doesn't look that way from my reading of the new law. Below is the relevant provision of the new statute:

Sec. 2a. (1) The following individuals are not required to obtain a license under section 2 to purchase, carry, possess, use, or transport a pistol:

(a) An individual licensed under section 5b.

(b) A federally licensed firearms dealer.

(c) An individual who purchases a pistol from a federally licensed firearms dealer in compliance with 18 USC 922(t).
 
Dont start with your thoughts

You got a phone---call a gun shop in MI--see what they say
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My bad. I forgot that local gun shops are the legal experts in Michigan.

Seriously though, the law is what it is, but as a practical matter if a gun shop thinks you still need the permit they won't sell you the pistol.

Edit: By the way, I wouldn't classify my posting of the actual language of the law itself as "my thoughts." Just trying to help out by providing the actual statute so that readers can see it for themselves instead of relying on speculation.
 
A gun shop does not think--they KNOW----the state police control this in MI
I could care less as I have a CPL---I go to gun shop pay them walk out with gun 15 minutes tops
 
A gun shop does not think--they KNOW----the state police control this in MI
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Gun shops are notorious for giving out wrong legal information. The shop you called may have not even know the bill passed, and won't until the MSP sends 'em a letter.
 
Gun shops are notorious for giving out wrong legal information. The shop you called may have not even know the bill passed, and won't until the MSP sends 'em a letter.
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Isn't there a really long thread around here regarding all the crazy stuff a gun shop owner has told people? When I think of the guy that owns/operates my LGS, its downright laughable to imagine relying on him for accurate legal advice.
 
Isn't there a really long thread around here regarding all the crazy stuff a gun shop owner has told people? When I think of the guy that owns/operates my LGS, its downright laughable to imagine relying on him for accurate legal advice.
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Yeah, it's scary, really. If I owned a gun shop I'd fire anyone giving out "legal advice" unless it pertained to the buying or selling of my guns.
 
True, I had a LGS that wouldn't sell me a Hawken Muzzle loader without NICS/paperwork. (in MI)
I thought the new law allows us to get a purchase permit from ANY law enforcement agency
instead of only from where we live. such as our county, or city, or whatever.
 
I thought the new law allows us to get a purchase permit from ANY law enforcement agency
instead of only from where we live. such as our county, or city, or whatever.
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This is true. I only posted one section of the new law above that pertained to whether or not a permit was needed when buying a pistol from a federally licensed dealer. What you are talking about can be found in a different section.
 
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