If you received order to disarm legally armed citizens would you execute this order?

If you received order to disarm legally armed citizens would you execute this order?

  • Yes, I would! or Undecided.

    Votes: 9 4.8%

  • No, I would disobey an unconstitutional order!

    Votes: 167 88.8%

  • No, I'm already a member of [url]www.oathkeepers.org[/url]!

    Votes: 12 6.4%
  • Total voters
    188
  • Poll closed .
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You can go from "legally" armed to illegally armed over night, with just a signature.
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Who has the power to do this with just a signature? I'm not saying it's impossible for us to get there. Not much would surprise me at this point, but it would take much more than a mere signature.
 
What? Elaborate on this, please.
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I am always astounded that this was brushed under the rug by the MSM. Yes, it happened. And LE/Military who participated should be ashamed of themselves.

Have you considered the possibility that the people behind the doors you're knocking on might not just roll over for you in that scenario?
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I think all it would take would be a few deaths up front (either citizens or LE/Military) and everybody involved on the government side would be forced to take a big step back. Stuff could blow up very quickly. Knocking on a million doors/ a million Ruby Ridge incidents would not be a pretty site. And when I say "knocking on the door", I mean that people would know every LE move due to the internet.
Some would say: but the government would shut down the internet.
To that: Seriously? What better way to get the average American citizen/business mobilized on the side of the citizen than to show the constitutional overreach of the government.
 
Here's how it would happen:

Officers are handed an arrest warrant, told to go knock on a door and bring in a specific individual.​

Here's how it would not happen:

Officer are told to go through a neighborhood, door by door, and collect any and all firearms found.​
 
Never say Never. We are now in new territory and the way things are trending, anything is possible. The only question is "how long will it take to get to that point?"
 
I could understand a LEO's dilemma about enforcing something like this. I would hope however, that the would do thier best to make it a low priority.

On a related note, it may be a good idea at this point, as lawfull gun owners, to not advertize too broadly, the fact that we own these items. (Try not to post photos or videos on sites that have your name or show your face). This might help LEO's avoid the dilemma to begin with.
 
I swore to defend the constitution against ALL enemies, foreign AND domestic.

Why would I break that oath by disarming citizens?

Now, if those citizens are heavily armed and attempting to destroy government buildings or commit acts of legitimate terrorism for no good reason, then yes, I'd be forced to act.

But to disarm citizens just because I was given the order? No way. The person issuing that order is asking for trouble.
 
I have discussed this with my commander. We concur that such orders are illegal, immoral, and unethical. We are under special scrutiny as holders of security clearances to ensure that we do not violate civil rights.
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Thanks ! Much appreciated.

I know what a lot of 'merica thinks about our "security forces"... I thank you for pointing out that critical thinking does actually occur- and not just singularly, but in groups.
 
"If you received order to disarm legally armed citizens would you execute this order?"

There is a fallacy here.

You stated legally armed.

At that point they wouldn't be legally armed.
 
Question is too vague. Define "legally armed" and provide some context for this hypothetical order.

I would not comply with any order to disarm citizens legally exercising their rights...unless I perceived those people to be an imminent threat to the health, safety or freedom of innocents, in which case they are abusing those rights.
 
The police here that I know would refuse to collect them.

Here in Arkansas, the police aren't afraid of guns like the police in Liberal strongholds like New York.

They don't look at some guy at the target range as a potential enemy but as a law abiding citizens.
 
new orleans katrina was their own corrupt city cops and cops from commie states mostly who took guns from law abiding folks....

i imagine the commie areas of this once great country will have cops willing to do this....but id be surprised if the red state cops did this outside of the urban pig styes.

im not surprised at the "tin" foil hat crowd though, they apply a broad brush to all law enforcement regardless of creed.
 
I swore an Oath as both a Soldier and a Police Officer to support and defend the Constitution of the United States. As a Police Officer I swore an Oath to support and defend the Constitution of my particular State. Enforcing a ban on so-called assault weapons and standard capacity magazines is contrary to my sworn Oaths. I will never obey that type of order.

If a new Federal so-called assault weapons ban is passed it will result in widespread resistance both violent and non-violent. I for one will not be breaking down a peaceable citizen's door at sunrise with a bunker in one hand and a pistol in the other screaming "Police! Search warrant!" because said citizen chose to retain property he has every right to own and enjoy. I did not join the Police Department to lord over my neighbors or to oppress them under the color of law. I also didn't join so that I could be (justifiably) shot to death while committing armed robbery and kidnapping.

The law only has teeth because armed men and women stand ready to enforce it. If we as Police Officers and Soldiers simply sit down and say "No" then the operation of the law grinds to a halt. I've read a lot of discussion on here were various commentators state that 'the law is the law' and no one's opinion of the Constitution counts unless they happen to be a high ranking elected official or bureaucrat. On that point we will have to agree to disagree. Every single sane man and woman in this world is accountable for their own conduct. I know full well the consequences of refusing to carry this type of law into effect. I also know that in the long term the consequences of choosing the easier wrong are much heavier and severe than choosing the harder right.
 
A certain person in the past was a national leader. He ordered all military officers to swear an oath of personal loyalty to him, supplanting their previous oath to the constitution of their country. Then the officers ordered their men to take the same oath.

No worry, then about obedience, was there?

Of course I won't name the national leader because I would be accused of trying to compare him with our national leader. That is silly because our national leader does not have a mustache.

Jim
 
the nazis would always make sure the soldiers were not local. i think a soldier from the northeast would have a higher compliance rate against civilians from the southwest.... the feds would follow orders, local cops would baulk.

you hand a 19 year old an M4 and a uniform and tell him to kick in a door in a neighborhood 500 miles from his home he'll be giggling the whole time texting his buddies how fun it is.
 
the nazis would always make sure the soldiers were not local. i think a soldier from the northeast would have a higher compliance rate against civilians from the southwest.... the feds would follow orders, local cops would baulk.

you hand a 19 year old an M4 and a uniform and tell him to kick in a door in a neighborhood 500 miles from his home he'll be giggling the whole time texting his buddies how fun it is.
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can you imagine someone from maine ordering an 80 year old alabama grandmother to turn over her guns.
 
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