Looking at .300 win mag's.

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Is a Remington 700 5R a decent shooting gun off the shelf? I understand you can put $10,000 into a gun and $5000 in glass, but I am also not going to do that. Are there other suggestions if you guys don't like the 700/5R option? I'd throw a Nightforce 5.5-22 that I already have on it I think. Would this get me out to 800 yards stock? Thanks
 
It is a great rifle, and with that optic the rifle will be more than capable of shooting 800 yards. If you want to do it, you will need to handload (if you don't already) because .300 Win Mag match rounds is upwards of $50/box...
 
Yeah we will start hand loading this round if we get this rifle.
 
From a 100yd zero, you'll only need about 5.5 mils to get to 800yds; depending on rifle, load and conditions. Assuming your rail or mount has built in elevation, you'll probably run out of land before you run out of scope adjustment.
 
A good load in 300win will get you almost twice as far. The 5R is a good rifle and Nightforces are top of the line. Is there a reason why you are looking at 300win for such a relatively short distance?
 
No, in fact, we want to have the capability to shoot 1 moa at 1,000 or more... But I was assuming the stock 700 5r was out of accuracy. Seems like not too many off the shelf guns shoot moa @ 1,000. That's why I suggested 800.
 
Really? Isn't that a myth? Some guys that shoot with us on the long range have 2000+ rounds with theirs at 800 yard MOA...
 
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Really? Isn't that a myth? Some guys that shoot with us on the long range have 2000+ rounds with theirs at 800 yard MOA...
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Not a myth, 2,000 is reaching (or past) the point that some barrels start to show groups opening up with the .300 Win Mag. For some guns that are routinely half MOA shooters, that means that the gun will open up to MOA groups, and then more. It isn't an immediate drastic change when a barrel is shot out, it is gradual.

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That is a hell of a lot of rounds for a recreational shooter such as myself.
 
If you are worried about barrel life the 300 WSM should give you a noticeable improvement and is just as fast in factory loads, not to mention about a 5-7% reduction in recoil and working in a short action, only downside with the WSM is that with handloads I can push the WM just a little bit faster using a larger powder charge.
 
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I don't know about dwarf, at 2000 rounds that's about $350 in powder $500 in bullets and $70 in primers
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Sorry, you're right, for some reason I was thinking I was posting back in a thread about .308 barrel life :eek:

You did forget brass, though. You will end up spending somewhere around 3 times the barrel cost on the amount of ammo that it takes to shoot it out (depending on the barrel that you go with) .

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I'm just feeling the pain right now. I recently sold my 308 to help finance a new home purchase for my family. I've been leaning on my 300 Win Mag a lot more lately and I'm up around 750 rounds through it.


I had been playing with the idea of building a 6BR. It's a very economical way to get out about 1000 yards. Unfortunately the expenditure for a new gun is not in my budget right now.

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five-five-six Get you a new Ruger American 243 and set the barrel back and ream to 6 BR Fill the stock with Bondo to stiffen it up and have some fun. Someone will be making a good stock for them as fast as they are selling.
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mopar,
Also consider the .308 or other similar cartridges. 308 will take you to 800 and further, but wind will be more of an issue. Barrel will last a long time and it's cheaper to shoot. Recoil difference between it and a wm is tremendous. If just shooting prone and position is good, the wm is not too bad, but deviate from that and it will beat you up.

I like shooting a 308 in the wind. Didn't get a chance to go yesterday, but hoping to shoot a little 308 this afternoon if nothing comes up. ~25 mph gusts today. That turns boring 6" & 8” targets at 500 yds into a challenge. Also, spotting misses w/ the 308 at that range is easy. Still enough umph to kick up dirt and soft enough recoil to easily watch it.

Also check out some of the Savage rifle. I know some of them come in cartridges like .260 & 6.5cm. I don’t know what kind of stocks they come with. I think the Rem 5r comes with an HSP and it’s a good stock. When looking at the 260/6.5, I’ve been told you need to be around 1:8 rifling to shoot the longer match bullets.
 
Seems that 300 WM for 800 yards is overkill. Other cartridges are still supersonic at 800 yds that don't have the kick, cost, wear on a barrel, etc. Even a .223 will reach out to 800, with wind being a bigger factor. It'll certainly do the job, but there are other cartridges as others have mentioned that will get that job done with benfits over the 300 WM - e.g. .308, .243, etc.
 
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Don't expect a long life out of your barrel, .300WM is a notorious barrel burner.
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That's what reamers are for. PT&G sells them for $66.

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I agree with some of the other posts. I owned a 300 mag. Lots of recoil, harder for me to shoot accurately. I have a Rem PSS 308 that I have shot out to 900 yards. If your are looking at fast and flat look at the 7mm and 6.5 cal.

I am a Rem PSS and LTR fan, but read a lot on the Savage. They look sweet!

How about one of Les Baer's 308 ARs? You could shoot your group of five before your buddy gets off his second shot:neener:
 
I've settled on a .308 for now. For all of the above reasons. Now I'm just trying to locate a new 5R 24".
 
Mopar92;

I'm assuming that if you're talking about putting a Nightforce scope, that you already have, on the proposed gun that's being discussed, the budget is not particularly tight. Therefore, if you want a gun that shoots right outta the box, that you're almost certainly not going to have to sink more money into, take a good hard look at the Sako TRG42 - in .300 Winchester Magnum. Yeah, it costs more than the Remmie, but you get a far more refined package for your money.

Or, if you want to do it with a more-or-less off the shelf gun, go to the non-fancy Sako, they call it a Tikka T3 Tactical. Made in the same factory on the same machinery, but less hand work & therefore less money.

Or, hang out with the benchrest guys at your local range(s) & buy a gun with a magnum boltface & have it rebarreled to .300 WM. Given good social skills on your part & some patience, this may indeed be the most economical way to go depending on what's available for sale.

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