FBI agent arrested for Oil filter suppressor

"In fact, they MUST be considered wipes as that is the only part of a suppressor that the ATF considers consumable and replaceable by those without 07/02s"


Uhh... no.

In fact, the suppressor must be returned to the manufacturer for replacement of the filter, (at a cost of $25.00....)


From the manufacturer:


"If or when you need to change the filter out, the ATF/NFA rules says it needs to come back to the original manufacturer. The cost is $25.00. The complete Suppressor can be shipped directly to us, for gunsmithing, which would be replacement/rehab/repair of the oil filter, with the serial # remarked, and documented as being replaced/rehabbed/repaired. The completed Suppressor can be sent back to you at your address on your NFA Tax Stamp Form. You do not need to go though a dealer for gunsmithing services. The life of the oil filter varies depending on caliber used and bullet type."



Perhaps there are more than one maker? No clue. But the ones I have seen are serialized on the FILTER and the ones I have shot (built on Form 1's) are definately open at both ends. The adapter will accept any of (hundreds?) of filter part numbers... but it's the filter (the "tube" is the major component, as per the BATFE) that gets the serial number. That's pretty simple stuff, and the info that it's the adapter that gets registered is just nonsense.



Willie


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Willie the econo-can suppressor uses a serialized adapter and a standard filter you change yourself.

^^

Uhh.... <sigh>:

The above quote was taken from the Econo Can's manufacturers website (Cadiz Gun Works), so I suggest you check your data. See:

https://cadizgunworks.com/store/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=79




With that said, American Specialty Ammunition, which also offers them, "might" do it differently... so check that data too.


I have no dog in the fight, it's just that what I have seen and shot is not exactly what I see described here.





Willie


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That's a recent change then.

^^

Would not be surprised that the BATFE finally called "nonsense" to a complete can with innards being called a "wipe".....


Willie

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But if an oil filter is a complete can then all of us are felons.

Soon, two-liter soda bottles will be serialized and cost you $200 a pop (pun intended).

"But if an oil filter is a complete can then all of us are felons."

Uhh... perfect teaching opportunity for those who didn't take rhetoric and reasoning in school:


See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum



I'm just telling you the way it is, not the way it might be in fantasy-land.

Now: Ever hear of dual-purpose technology? It's a pretty common topic within the *real* arms business. This is just a tiny itty-bitty case of it. Intent is the key. Have an oil filter in your garage? It's an oil filter. Have an oil filter screwed to your AR-15 with an adapter? You've got a suppressor. In between you can tell it to the BATFE and to the Judge. No different than any of 10,000 other dual-use items. There are a thousand lawyers arguing these things for manufacturers of articles that "might" or "might not" be a felony to export under the ITAR... there's plenty of ambiguity in the world.


Willie

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Black Butte:

Good one! I wonder if the FBI agent will end up getting "canned"?

Geno

The adapter will accept any of (hundreds?) of filter part numbers... but it's the filter (the "tube" is the major component, as per the BATFE) that gets the serial number. That's pretty simple stuff, and the info that it's the adapter that gets registered is just nonsense.

Click to expand...

If the adapter doesn't get registered, why go through the trouble of including all of the required manufacturer markings including serial number, model, manufacturer, and city/state? I could understand a company name and maybe the model, but not the city/state and SN unless it was required. I have also spoken with a FFL/SOT about this and he recalled that the ATF had approved registered adapters similar to these. Not full cans, just the adapter.

I agree it was a strange ruling for the ATF to require only the adapter to be registered with the main tube of the suppressor being replaceable, and they may very well have reversed their position (wouldn't be the first time it's happened...) but at one point the adapter was considered the registered part and the filter was considered consumable.

^^ Perhaps "At One Time" and "The way these are sold now" are to be two different things...

(see the link on the Cadiz website that I citedwhich is absolutely unambiguous).

Personally, I would prefer to own a registered adapter. That way I could pick and choose the filter I want to use (there are HUNDREDS of models, both closed end and open end). But the fact seems to be that it's just not the way it is (today). My preferences and the real world are sometimes in conflict. This seems to be a case of exactly that.

Nowadays it seems clear that the entire ASSEMBLY of filter AND ADAPTER is a suppressor when sold by Cadiz on a Form 4. You do not get to change out the filter yourself. This is exactly how any other suppressor is sold and handled, BTW,


Willie

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http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/national-firearms-act-silencers.html

Here is a FAQ that covers this subject.