Level a city and the muslim extremists take the hint, or, the case for nuking them

so now we are taking leads from the Syrians on how to deal with problems.

drjones i hope this is a windup.

Um....indiscriminate killing is bad karma.

Just thought everyone oughta know.

Going nuclear to level a city the size of Fallujah would be overkill. Michael Savage is suggesting something similar, however. Since most of the bad juju is coming out of the "sunni triangle" and Fallujah in particular, why not just level Fallujah? Communicate our intentions to the residents via leaflets, loudspeakers, radio, tv and door to door visits. Give them ample opportunity to vacate (72-96 hours?). Screen everyone leaving. Cordon off the town and make it disappear. Pave it over.

No "indiscriminate killing." And everyone lives happily everafter.

Yep thats how we do things, nuke em

Wildanddontcomapreittoww2eitherAlaska

Bah... he forgot to sow the land with salt.

Right, and all the refugees from Fallujah will be dispersed and go someplace else to spread havoc.

Right now we know some of the more nasty and persistent elements opposing the Coalition are centered in Fallujah. Thing is to isolate them and weed out the ones we want.

I would cordon off the city as best possible and offer large rewards for information on the BGs. I would not do anything to disrupt what goodwill we have there.

Saddam and his sons were nailed because they were ratted out.

And when you do go after the BGs use overwhelming force.

I think the Marines are now in charge in and around Fallujah, and they are pretty good at this occupation business. Lots of experience. I think the BGs will get tired of the Marines pretty fast.

Worked for G-d at Sodom & Gomorrah ....

Worked for G-d at Sodom & Gomorrah

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I give you San Francisco as rebuttal (no pun intended) testimony

Strati, that is wrong on so many levels. I don’t even know where to begin.

~G. Fink

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I give you San Francisco as rebuttal (no pun intended) testimony

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And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked? Peradventure there be fifty righteous within the city: wilt thou also destroy and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are therein?... And the LORD said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes.
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And he said, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak yet but this once: Peradventure ten shall be found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for ten’s sake.

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Which I think pretty much sums it up both for why San Francisco is still there, and for nuking Fallujah.

Communicate our intentions to the residents via leaflets, loudspeakers, radio, tv and door to door visits. Give them ample opportunity to vacate (72-96 hours?). Screen everyone leaving. Cordon off the town and make it disappear. Pave it over.

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I agree. One more point. Anyone, man woman or child that attempts to do any harm to our soldiers, gets shot on sight. No trial, no filling up prisions, shoot the bast@rds. We have been pussyfooting around too much, and we will continue to pay the price. Time, way past time to take the gloves off. Level that city.

BAD idea

One of the objectives of terrorism is to provoke just that kind of response to enrage the rest of the civilians and recruit them to support the insurgents.

The bad guys were dumb enough to commit their atrocities on camera. Give still photos of every adult male involved to the Marine sniper teams around the city and watch the effectiveness of the Marine marksmanship training.

After a few days/weeks of this tell the rest of the town that the reward for the survivors just went up.

We have to use force but it can't be against innocent women/children or we become no better than they are.

Killing everybody in the city isn't the answer. Anybody advocating such action is no better that the perps who did the original deed. The solution is to kill every cleric who has said anything harmful about anything we are trying to do. They are the real power brokers in this deal. Don't think for one minute that the clerics couldn't turn this whole deal around. Those they couldn't control would be given up for their own protection.

No need. I think drjones was merely pointing out how one Arab leader dealt with the issue. It was wrong then and it would be wrong now.

We have the perps on video. We can clean up this mess with no indiscriminate killing. It must be a "take no prisoners" assault, but surgical. I believe that a surgical cleansing will strike more fear than a daisy cutter.

No need for nukes. Napalm will work just fine!

If we had obliterated Baghdad at the outset and accepted unconditional surrenders from what was left of Iraq and the remaining Islamic terrorist states, there'd be no problem with Islamic terrorist savagry today.

To date, over 600 Americans have been killed in Iraq. That's over 600 too many.

7.62FMJ has the right 411, we can find the Baathist terdballs that did this and deal with them, no kidd gloves, and smush any that hinder, while we're at it. This is not a time to 'play nice'.

This is a direct affront to those who would build a civil society, but given the nature of their 'upbringing', a proper stomping is necessary to get their attention. The only thing they respect is power, anything less will be viewed as 'weakness'. Surgical savagry is both necessary and appropriate.

We're dealing with the lowest sort of thug here, and rationality and negotiation will not work. Catch 'em, cut 'em, nut ' em, gut 'em, hose with Zippo and light 'em up on the mosque's front porch, just my humble barbaric opinion, but make it real clear why who got what (if some are wearing black turbans, so much the better)

Plan B - a 20K lb. fuel-air bomb over the right neighborhood might work as a quick and dirty alternative.

How did Rome put an end to their problems with Carthage?

The bad guys were dumb enough to commit their atrocities on camera.

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Ok, here's a kinder, gentler solution. We cordon off the city, and have everyone leave with nothing more than the clothes on their backs. Anyone who was on camera commiting these acts - we shoot 'em dead. The clerics who egged 'em on, or refused to condem them - we shoot 'em dead and level the specific mosques they worked out of. We go into the now vacant city, and search it. Any house with contraband is flattened. Anyone who's refused to leave - dead. We take fire from a building - we level the building. A thorough housecleaning. Then we let the women, children, and uninvolved males return to a city with far less scum remaining.

And we refer those who protest and whine about the "good will" we'll be losing to the next of kin of the soldiers killed and mutilated.

What a fantastic idea.

For sociopaths.

There is never any excuse for killing noncombatants. EVER. Advocating such is just sick.

- Chris

Level a city and the muslim extremists take the hint, or, the case for nuking them

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Oh yeah...like we got the hint when they levelled the World Trade Center. Like we would just take the hint and fold if they levelled NYC with a suitcase nuke.

Oh, and killing noncombatants indiscriminately is what they do. That's why they're the bad guys. If we start doing that stuff, we're not an iota better than they are.

Say what? There are no non-combatants there? They're all consenting to the actions of their extremist brethren anyway, and deserve to die? Guess what...that's exactly what they said about the WTC and Pentagon victims. If you think like that, you truly have become your enemy, and the only difference between you and them is the name by which you call your deity.

We could just have our BBs and Destroyers heat up their 16's and put them to good use, and have our BUFFs make 24/7 passes for a week.

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This is why I have a hard time taking you seriously sometimes Dr. Jones. How far away from the Gulf is Fallujah? According to this map, it is well over two hundred miles. Way out of range for a battleship's 16's and a destroyers even smaller guns. So if you just go off at the mouth about blowing a town all to hell with ordanance that can't even reach that far, how am I supposed to believe you thought deeply about this at all? That is why I am so baffled by some of the responses on this board. They don't deal in reality whatsoever. Ah, but that is the makings of youth. I too remember coming up with these wild ideas once.

Never mind the fact that the U.S.Navy is fresh out of battleships. U.S.S. Missouri is a museum at Pearl Harbor, and the rest are waiting to be turned into high-quality razor blades and coke cans.