Cryogaijin
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A couple weeks ago I found a NIB pmr-30 at my LGS. I've been interested in the gun since I saw an interesting PMR vs 5.7 review on Youtube.
At $500 it was in my price range, and I like the idea of a new high capacity "target pistol" to supplement my High Standard Match King. (which is older than me, and a bit crotchety, if VERY accurate)
Managed to get 10 boxes of cci max-mags from Gander online, and 4 pmr-30 mags from Fulton Armory, and took the combination out to my local gravel-pit.
Low recoil, excellent sights out of the box, a surprisingly loud report (which I consider a plus for a Giggles gun), and easily more accurate than any of my other handguns, save the Match King. And 30 rounds in the magazine.
In the 6 magazines I put through it, I had just one single failure to feed. No other errors of any kind.
Trust me, strings of 30 with extremely fast reaquisition time due to the minimal recoil makes this gun VERY VERY enjoyable to shoot. In fact I was having so much fun with it, I couldn't evaluate the trigger. (I like my Witness's DA/SA trigger the best, followed by my Tokarev's, with the striker fired trigger on my XD being in the middle, and the DAO on my SCCY cpx-1 being the worst. The match trigger on my match king is a special case as it is EXTREMELY surprising when it fires. I would guestimate it is only a 1.5# trigger.)
Pros:
Lightweight
Accurate
Excellent sights out of the box
30 round capacity standard
very flat shooting
(usually) easy to find, inexpensive ammo
comes with red-dot mounting option out of the box
Low recoil
Lifetime warantee
Cons:
Only guns uglier are Hi-points
many exposed, blue locktite'd screws.
Requires a pin push for disassembly (Or just a round.)
cleaning is a bit more difficult than on larger caliber rounds.
magazines time-consuming and mildly unusual to load (Failure to load correctly will result in rim-lock)
No speed loaders or magazine loaders
Picky about ammo
Can't be suppressed (according to Kel-tec. Increases chamber pressure too much.)
uses obnoxious european style bottom of grip magazine release
The Ugly:
Fit and finish. I mentioned the exposed screws above, but it deserves mentioning that the plastic feels cheap, and there are some sharp edges on the bottom of the grip.
It is a Kel-tec, and thus the availability is "spotty at best" (and that is being nice about it.)
Conclusion:
It is a terrific practice gun, accurate, and easy to fire. It would be a very good gun to start someone off on to avoid learning a flinch. Other gun companies should take note of the stock sights: they're excellent. Likewise, having a mounting point for a red-dot is a plus for me, even though I'l likely never add one.
The gun is full size: it is the same size as my Witness 10mm (Though over a lb lighter fully loaded) For self defense I feel MUCH more confident with my 10mm, even though the .22wmr packs the same energy as common .38spl loads. Still, the gun is so controlable, with such good sights, I could see someone adverse to "heavy recoil" using it for defense.
At $500 it was in my price range, and I like the idea of a new high capacity "target pistol" to supplement my High Standard Match King. (which is older than me, and a bit crotchety, if VERY accurate)
Managed to get 10 boxes of cci max-mags from Gander online, and 4 pmr-30 mags from Fulton Armory, and took the combination out to my local gravel-pit.
Low recoil, excellent sights out of the box, a surprisingly loud report (which I consider a plus for a Giggles gun), and easily more accurate than any of my other handguns, save the Match King. And 30 rounds in the magazine.
In the 6 magazines I put through it, I had just one single failure to feed. No other errors of any kind.
Trust me, strings of 30 with extremely fast reaquisition time due to the minimal recoil makes this gun VERY VERY enjoyable to shoot. In fact I was having so much fun with it, I couldn't evaluate the trigger. (I like my Witness's DA/SA trigger the best, followed by my Tokarev's, with the striker fired trigger on my XD being in the middle, and the DAO on my SCCY cpx-1 being the worst. The match trigger on my match king is a special case as it is EXTREMELY surprising when it fires. I would guestimate it is only a 1.5# trigger.)
Pros:
Lightweight
Accurate
Excellent sights out of the box
30 round capacity standard
very flat shooting
(usually) easy to find, inexpensive ammo
comes with red-dot mounting option out of the box
Low recoil
Lifetime warantee
Cons:
Only guns uglier are Hi-points
many exposed, blue locktite'd screws.
Requires a pin push for disassembly (Or just a round.)
cleaning is a bit more difficult than on larger caliber rounds.
magazines time-consuming and mildly unusual to load (Failure to load correctly will result in rim-lock)
No speed loaders or magazine loaders
Picky about ammo
Can't be suppressed (according to Kel-tec. Increases chamber pressure too much.)
uses obnoxious european style bottom of grip magazine release
The Ugly:
Fit and finish. I mentioned the exposed screws above, but it deserves mentioning that the plastic feels cheap, and there are some sharp edges on the bottom of the grip.
It is a Kel-tec, and thus the availability is "spotty at best" (and that is being nice about it.)
Conclusion:
It is a terrific practice gun, accurate, and easy to fire. It would be a very good gun to start someone off on to avoid learning a flinch. Other gun companies should take note of the stock sights: they're excellent. Likewise, having a mounting point for a red-dot is a plus for me, even though I'l likely never add one.
The gun is full size: it is the same size as my Witness 10mm (Though over a lb lighter fully loaded) For self defense I feel MUCH more confident with my 10mm, even though the .22wmr packs the same energy as common .38spl loads. Still, the gun is so controlable, with such good sights, I could see someone adverse to "heavy recoil" using it for defense.
