Esoxchaser
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Inox Beretta 92. Takes a licking and keeps on ticking.
Cold weather truck gun
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I.O. makes/imports them.
Produces well over 500 ft lbs sending an 85gr bullet nearly 1800fps and above at times according to my chrono. (Using hotter Czech grade S&B) Also have a marked mag with hollowpoints.
Deaf Smith
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Any good Gen. 2 or 3 Glock. 9mm, say the 17, would be fine (as would be the Glock 22 or 31.)
Yea, police trade-in guns sound like a good bet.
I have no doubt you can find a Glock 17, used but not abused, for $400 easy.
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Yea, police trade-in guns sound like a good bet.
I have no doubt you can find a Glock 17, used but not abused, for $400 easy.
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horsemen61
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I agree with deaf good used glock gtg
Yep. That. The USP. If I wanted to bet my bottom on a hand-held in the dead of cold, it would likely be an H&K. And a USP, though not my favorite design is utterly and absolutely the most solid and reliable mechanical device I have ever had a chance to operate. Use some dry lube on it for the winter. Nothing that can get more viscous and bang, you have a friend for all seasons.
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Phaedrus/69
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Speaking of a used Glock, I saw a very used one last week! The LGS has an old Gen1 G17, had almost zero finish anywhere on the slide! It really looked like it had been in a duty holster for 20 years. Honestly, I've never seen that much finish wear on any gun, at least any post WWII gun. The salesman said it ran just fine, and I imagine it probably does or they wouldn't sell it (they do test fire them before taking them in on trade/purchase and will accept a return within 30 days if it doesn't work 100%). Price was right, seems like $325 or so. It will probably be gone next time I'm there.
Omaha-BeenGlockin
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Stainless Ruger P95
I don't think this would work. He didn't say cold weather Range Rover gun.
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Phaedrus/69
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I love the USP, I have three of them. But I don't want to leave a gun that expensive (to me) in the truck 24/7.
dickydalton
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A 1911 used to work pretty good back in the winters of the early 40s in Europe. I think I'd try that before a Glock.
Chuck Taylor did a cold weather test way back when in a book called Combat Handgunning, or something like that. Extreme exposure in snow and cold. It was an auto vs. revolver test. Basically the revolver had no failures. (I will look around in a bit and get the details)Please don't flame me but your second requirement about it being an auto, you said it wasn't chiseled in stone so that's why I mention it. That was an actual test, not just someone's opinion.
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I was wrong in the above post. Several autos passed and several had failures. The test was 750 Rds in -40 weather. A model 27 was included in the test and it performed flawlessly. Taylor's advice was a thin coat of Rem Oil for lubrication and that's it.
Those that passed: Glock 17 and Browning p-35 in 9mm. Colt 1911 in .45 and ST Model 27 in .357 mag.
Those that failed: Sig P226, SW 39-2 and Beretta 92F (obviously all nines)
I was wrong in the above post. Several autos passed and several had failures. The test was 750 Rds in -40 weather. A model 27 was included in the test and it performed flawlessly. Taylor's advice was a thin coat of Rem Oil for lubrication and that's it.
Those that passed: Glock 17 and Browning p-35 in 9mm. Colt 1911 in .45 and ST Model 27 in .357 mag.
Those that failed: Sig P226, SW 39-2 and Beretta 92F (obviously all nines)
Interesting thread. I traded for a S&W SW.40VE (revised Sigma) at a gun show for a truck gun. It's a real reliable, easily stripped/cleaned, (very similar to the Glock) accurate, but not an expensive gun. Trigger is heavy but you'll get used to it or do the spring modification. Wouldn't worry about it since it's not your range/competition gun and in cold weather with light wt. gloves, it should work for you. Having a 14 round capacity mag was also a selling point. These als were made in a 9mm if you don't want the .40. I think used ones can be had for $275 to $350. It also has a rail for a light, laser or combination. Because of the possibility of theft, I don't want to keep one of my glocks in my truck.
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The real :banghead: comes when one looks at ammo selection in this caliber. The only JHPs available come from places where they don't know how to make good ones like Russia and Serbia.
Now surplus CZ82 with Hornady ammo whould make an excellent Ford or Chevy gun. It even has lovingly roomy trigger guard for gloved hand making it very cold weather friendly piece.
Deaf Smith
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I believe Chuck did lots of testing in the cold and he found if lubed with no-freezing lube (like graphite) these worked 'everytime'.
Glock 17 9mm
1911A1 .45
S&W 27 .357.
And Chuck has torture tested the Glock 17 for years. 175000 rounds at last count from one of them.
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Shamus MacD
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like the majority, I would recommend a police trade in glock. reliable, nothing to fumble around with, and accurate
Lol @ pablo!!. A model 27 in any vehicle is a no no in my book. As for it being a Ford? That is an argument for a different board. (Ford didn't take a handout though and wipe out credit holders in the process).
Lots of DA revolvers could work in this scenario though. I was just giving the OP some info from an actual test that pertained to the question asked. When I skimmed back over Taylor's chapter on the test, he thought that perhaps the failures had to do with the springs in the autos. The 92F had 2 failures in the first 4 shots. I would think that the current Beretta offering would be fine, based on the extensive military testing, but you never know. I have an M9 and I have never had a failure with tons of rounds run through it. But if I had to put my life on it, I would have my Mountain Gun in .41 close by.
Lots of DA revolvers could work in this scenario though. I was just giving the OP some info from an actual test that pertained to the question asked. When I skimmed back over Taylor's chapter on the test, he thought that perhaps the failures had to do with the springs in the autos. The 92F had 2 failures in the first 4 shots. I would think that the current Beretta offering would be fine, based on the extensive military testing, but you never know. I have an M9 and I have never had a failure with tons of rounds run through it. But if I had to put my life on it, I would have my Mountain Gun in .41 close by.
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Phaedrus/69
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FORD?! No, I don't dive a truck that was Found On the Road, Dead!:banghead:
Chevy all the way!
I've thought about the Smith SVD40 (something like that #, I forget). Cheap but from what I've read, pretty solid. I have also considered a cheap Rock Island revolver; a 4" .38 is around $230 new. Again, from what I've read they're rough looking but rugged and reliable. It doesn't really 'have to be' an auto, that's just my general preference. A wheelgun would work.
Much of the time I will have a sidearm on my person, but I can't CCW at work. It would be nice to leave one in the truck all the time.
BTW, I have a good security system- it's called "drive an old vehicle and look poor"! It has worked well so far.
No, I don't dive a truck that was Found On the Road, Dead!:banghead: Chevy all the way!I've thought about the Smith SVD40 (something like that #, I forget). Cheap but from what I've read, pretty solid. I have also considered a cheap Rock Island revolver; a 4" .38 is around $230 new. Again, from what I've read they're rough looking but rugged and reliable. It doesn't really 'have to be' an auto, that's just my general preference. A wheelgun would work.
Much of the time I will have a sidearm on my person, but I can't CCW at work. It would be nice to leave one in the truck all the time.
BTW, I have a good security system- it's called "drive an old vehicle and look poor"!
It has worked well so far.
Dudedog
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As a note the Makarov was the Soviet military pistol from 1951 to about 2000, not as long as the 1911 but still a good period of time.
"In 1951, the PM was selected because of its simplicity (few moving parts), economy, ease of manufacturing, and reasonable stopping power.[3] It remained in wide front-line service with Soviet military and police until and beyond the end of the USSR in 1991. Today, the Makarov is a popular handgun for concealed carry in the United States; variants of the pistol remain in production in Russia, China, and Bulgaria. In the U.S., surplus Soviet and East German military Makarovs are listed as eligible curio and relic items by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, because the countries of manufacture, the USSR and the GDR, no longer exist."[4
From Wikipedia.org
From Eric Larson at another site "They are excellent guns at any price. They are heavy for there size but that just means they will live a long life....they are slim so they carry well and they run like a freaking timex and are very accurate.
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http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=5&f=46&t=58571
The price has gone up some so you might not be able to fine one for $160 (what I paid for mine 10 years ago) but for CCW they are reasonably small, think Walther PPK, sub combact Springfield/Glock.
Field tests preformed by the Russian Army for 40+ years so I would think it just has to work in the cold.
I live in California so it never gets that cold here. I think I may stick mine in the freezer in a zip lock bag then ice chest it to the range just to see!
"In 1951, the PM was selected because of its simplicity (few moving parts), economy, ease of manufacturing, and reasonable stopping power.[3] It remained in wide front-line service with Soviet military and police until and beyond the end of the USSR in 1991. Today, the Makarov is a popular handgun for concealed carry in the United States; variants of the pistol remain in production in Russia, China, and Bulgaria. In the U.S., surplus Soviet and East German military Makarovs are listed as eligible curio and relic items by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, because the countries of manufacture, the USSR and the GDR, no longer exist."[4
From Wikipedia.org
From Eric Larson at another site "They are excellent guns at any price. They are heavy for there size but that just means they will live a long life....they are slim so they carry well and they run like a freaking timex and are very accurate.
"
http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=5&f=46&t=58571
The price has gone up some so you might not be able to fine one for $160 (what I paid for mine 10 years ago) but for CCW they are reasonably small, think Walther PPK, sub combact Springfield/Glock.
Field tests preformed by the Russian Army for 40+ years so I would think it just has to work in the cold.
I live in California so it never gets that cold here. I think I may stick mine in the freezer in a zip lock bag then ice chest it to the range just to see!
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The SA got me thinking.... Switzerland is lovely yet cold place in dead of winter. Why not throw SIG 210 under the seat?Think some more.
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