What can you tell me about NORINCO pistols?

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Dear THR:
How good are these NORINCO pistols? Who are they marketing this to? I came across a manual of a model Cf-98, and it said the barrel is guaranteed up to only 8000 rounds! They also have sig clones etc. Who here has some hands on experience with these weapons?

Thank you
 
Dear THR:
How good are these NORINCO pistols? Who are they marketing this to? I came across a manual of a model Cf-98, and it said the barrel is guaranteed up to only 8000 rounds! They also have sig clones etc. Who here has some hands on experience with these weapons?

Thank you
These are not sold in USA. I think the closest place where one can get one is Canada.
 
I dont know about cf98's but I have heard many times they make the best 1911's to build a custom gun off of. some of the best steel you can find. People joke they must have been built from railroad ties.
 
Norinco's been banned here for around 20yrs... Not sure how many members can even help you out...
 
Also have a Norinco 1911, and it goes bang every time I've pulled the trigger. The machining work looks like they gave a block of steel to a titanium toothed squirrel, but function does not appear impaired.
 
I've got a T54 which is just a Tokarev clone. Both the 54 and 213 were available chambered in 9x19 instead of 7.62x25. It's basically a 9 shot 9mm that's not safe to carry cocked and locked due to the chintzy import mandated safety.

What it lacks in finish, it more than makes up for in being a tank. The frame and slide were designed to handle a diet of the high powered 7.62. I don't think I'll ever wear it out just shooting standard pressure 9mm ball ammo.

I use it as a loaner/beater/woods bumming gun. Slim, reliable, and cost me less than $200. I'd still like to a 7.62 barrel and bushing for it, but those a practically hen's teeth.
 
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The Norinco 1911s, the few that are in the USA, are considered excellent candidates for building custom 1911s because they are constructed out of hard tool steel instead of the types of steel more commonly found in firearms construction. They hold up much better over time. However, some gunsmiths may refuse to work on them because the harder steel is more difficult to work with and puts more wear on their equipment. More than a few are also simply elitist.

Chinese Tokarevs are generally good, and come in two major varieties. The original Chinese Tokarev pistols were exact copies of the Russian ones and were briefly chambered in 7.62x25 before quickly being converted to 9mm. You won't find any Chinese Tokarevs in 7.62x25 anymore, but you can occasionally find unissued Chinese chrome-lined 7.62x25 barrels, which can be used on any other standard Tokarev (Russian, Polish, or Romanian) or to convert a Chinese back to 7.62x25.

The most common Chinese Tokarev variation has a 9mm barrel and bushing, and normal Tokarev-sized magazine with a spacer in the back to accommodate the shorter 9mm Luger round. There are no other changes, and they can easily be converted back to fire 7.62x25 merely by swapping the barrel, bushing, link, and magazine.

The less-common version has a shortened magazine and a spacer riveted into the back of the magazine well. If you're looking to buy a Tokarev, avoid this version simply because you lose the ability to easily switch calibers and lose access to the more common magazines.
 
Norinco's been banned here for around 20yrs... Not sure how many members can even help you out...
I have a Norinco TT Olympia in 22lr. I always wondered what the date of manufactor was. Are you saying they have been banned from importation for the last 20 years? So the one I have would have had to have been sent here before then?
 
Norinco is the main state arms manufacturer for communist China. They also have a commercial side. The US government thought it was supporting communism a little too directly to allow imports and sales from China's main weapons producer. I can't say I entirely blame them. Remember that China in 1993 was not the same China we know now. Communism played a stronger role, and there was less of a separation between the state and its main producers.
 
Ownership wasn't banned, it was banned from importation...it was political...it was in the same move that banned the importation of Norinco 7.62X39mm ammo, which was selling (retail) at $1.99/20 rds

I can't speck to later pistols, but their 1911s are highly desirable...they were likely the strongest 1911s on the market. Custom gunsmiths used to charge extra to do work on them as they "tore up their tools"
 
I know my Norinco 1911 is a great piece of work....we collect 1911's but the Norinco is the sweetest of all. Heavy and an (almost) exact copy of a WWII workhorse but boringly reliable and accurate to boot.
 
My Norinco 1911 is an excellent pistol. Very reliable and accurate. Mine has few tool marks and appears to have been made with pride. Wish I had another.
 
I have a Norinco TT Olympia in 22lr. I always wondered what the date of manufactor was. Are you saying they have been banned from importation for the last 20 years? So the one I have would have had to have been sent here before then?
1990 to about 1994, when Clinton banned importation. Those were about $160 back then. I almost bought one; but the LGS took one of the mags out of the box and was selling those for $15 more...

I read at the time the 1911 was an accurate copy, cost $350 or so, and was used as the frame for building up custom guns. Thinking was why spend $500 if you were just going to use the frame..NORINCO was basically owned and operated as a division of the CHICOM Army. I have the Tok 9mm and a Browning ATD copy. Both work really well. Bought an 1100 round crate on 7.62x39 for $89.95. And a couple of SKS's for $60 ea. Your money went really far with Norinco ....
 
If I remember right, the US import agents for Norinco were caught selling rocket launchers and full auto AK's to organized crime organizations in the US.
 
My Norinco 1911 9mm was very reliable and quite accurate. Finish was a bit rough but it was a solid handgun.
Good value for the $$$
 
My Chicom 54 with no safety, as my Dad brought it back from Vietnam, legally, works great. It just shoots anything I feed it in 7.62x25.
Not sure of the half cock safety feature being good, but I was assured by many that have carried it to be quite robust in country..
 
I would ask about cf98 on Pakguns.com if you haven't done so already. If this discussion continues these guys will turn Nornico 1911 into a Les Brown!
 
Lol.. Pablo you might want to stick to your Glocks...
Combining two known 1911 makers names would be a faux pas.. :neener:
 
Before they started making their own frames and slides, Wilson Combat used to recommend Norinco's as a basis for a custom 1911.

They're still one of the few brands of 1911's they'll do custom work on:

From the Wilson Combat FAQ:

http://www.wilsoncombat.com/faq_handgun.htm

What pistols do you work on?
We will work on Springfield Armory, Colt, Norinco, Wilson Combat, Kimber, Strayer Tripp, and Strayer Voight pistols.
 
Norinco was one of 3 corporations that sold firearms for the Red Chinese government. It sold a number of rifles, handguns, &other military equipment around the world. B.Clinton banned them as they were flooding the country with cheap reliable guns. Some turned out to be full auto also! They made bikes also as those are military also. They made some very good copies of a number of guns. Most were well made & are still in use! They were cheap back then! M213 Tokarevs @ $125, SKS's @ $79 and I paid $250 for a great 1911A1! They are great buys even today. That's about all I know about them .Hope it helps.
 
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