GW Staar
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Haha! Just 3? There might be 6 on all the reloading forums.
You guys are hilarious. Full of it, but hilarious.
Green machine, piggy back and I believe one other that was a dedicated progressive, all pretty much failed to catch on mostly because they were fussy as hell(read in the archives, there is very little boasting, mostly moaning about them in very few threads). Reloaders don't forget, I read here and at TFL and a couple other places like arfcom, the RCBS 2000 guys are very scarce.
Might be two reasons: 1. Pro 2K guys rarely ever have any problems with the press, so they don't have to post here often, whining about their press breaking, out of sync, or having blown a hole in the ceiling of their reloading room with their tube priming system. 2. They get sick of a few Dillon owners who think its cool to put down anything except Dillon. I'm one of the few willing put up with it.
It is going to take at least one more redesign before they catch up, I suspect. It has nothing to do with APS, they are flawed because almost everything that happens on the press is in the same place.
You don't know what you're talking about.... station 1 sizes, station 2 primes, expands, and charges, station 3 feed bullets automatically, station four seats and station 5 crimps.....whoa, that's just like on a Dillon 650! Surprise. Its no different than any other 5 station press. I don't think you've ever seen one work. In the same place? That'd be the Rock Chucker, sir.
People that shoot competitively aren't going to build their own case feeding mechanisms nor mess with loading strips when they can load tubes at the bench faster than they can use them and the Dillon case feed system is excellent.
At least those who can't build their own won't. We don't "mess" with strips, we buy them ready to load.....what we don't have to mess with is loading dangerous tubes. Now if I was a competitor I might like a Dillon, but It'd be a 1050. I agree that the Dillon 650 set up for one caliber is fast enough .... at least until they blow a hole in the ceiling with a whole tube of primers going off. RCBS does make a bullet feeder that speeds up the Pro 2K similarly to the case-fed 650. But when its time to change calibers.....the 650 is not so fast. In fact it's slower than any other press. But like you say, it's a nice press for competitors who load one caliber a night. But for people like me who want to load 2 or 3 calibers in an evening, it flat sucks. You can help it some if you have the money to buy a caliber change kit with a separate powder measure for every caliber you load.
Folks that do a lot of comp shooting load up 3k rounds in a short afternoon on a 650 with almost no effort, comparatively. The RCBS is every bit as expensive as a 650 but significantly slower. That is the bottom line. When and if they build a better mouse trap they will sell like hot cakes.
Yes the Pro 2000 is expensive....but at least you get a strong cast iron press that won't do this aluminum trick:
or this one:
And APS primer systems don't do this either:
but hey Dillon will replace all the (press) parts destroyed.....wear safety glasses....you'll have to sue them to get your glass eye.
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