CT resident hi-cap magazine registration form

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Jeez, why is registering anything even being discussed as a viable option on here? Have none of you seen the news from NY and Cali? Or anywhere else with registration for that matter?

I wonder how many CT residents will not register their stuff...
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From the talk I'm seeing here, probably not as many as there should be.
 
Nickel Plated said:
Jeez, why is registering anything even being discussed as a viable option on here? Have none of you seen the news from NY and Cali? Or anywhere else with registration for that matter?


From the talk I'm seeing here, probably not as many as there should be.
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I think most people are not prepared to deal with the consequences of not registering. Unless I can use the items I want to shoot at a range, the only place I have to shoot, why bother to have them? If I go to a range, there is the possibility of official scrutiny. I will not be burying items on my property, too much rock ledge anyway. :rolleyes:

I worked too long as a peace officer, I never want to see (or smell) the inside of a court or jail again, thank you.

On another note, I wonder if people will register items they don't have, other than guns themselves, i.e. threaded pistol barrels, magazines, etc., with the idea of buying them later. :D
 
You can always buy and shoot them out of state. Keep them on the DL when in state. So long as you keep quiet about them, then noone needs to know.

it's just disheartening how adamant the gun owning community is about following these laws, even into their own graves if they have to it seems.
 
As I said earlier, I chose to remove my effected property from the state rather than register it. However, there is nothing wrong with knowing how to be in compliance with the new law.

Many magazines are quite inexpensive. If I had twenty AR mags, for example, I might choose to register two or three of them so that I could defend my home with them and still be in compliance. The other magazines could be stored out of state until such time as the law is repealed or the owner moves.

That way, if registration leads to confiscation, the owner only loses ~$30 worth of magazines instead of ~$200. Also, one cannot be a member of a class-action lawsuit or demand a redress of grievence without standing, so if a handful of magazines are registered, one could participate in the legal proceedings. No mags, no standing.

So, I wouldn't be so quick to criticize those that are registering property without looking at the big picture.
 
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it's just disheartening how adamant the gun owning community is about following these laws, even into their own graves if they have to it seems.
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Well said.
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Let's open this for discussion. Since I am the OP I think I can do this.

It seems that the "brave" souls who do not live under these stupid laws are proud to say they wouldn't follow the laws of their state. On principle alone, I'm guessing. So, you are making a conscious decision to be open to never being able to own a firearm again, in any state, if you are unfortunate enough to have to use your weapon in self defense. Registration does lead to confiscation. There is no way to say it doesn't. This magazine registration is as silly as it gets but you can see it's a step towards confiscation if they ever do pass a law to ban "hi cap" mags. I doubt they'll pass this ban in the next 10-20 years but if it ever does pass, guess who will get the letter in the mail? Us.

If I move out of state, which I will do just to get away from these stupid laws, I take my mags with me and their registration means nothing. While I stay here, I choose to not risk the chance to lose my right to own because I chose to not follow the laws. Other than principle, why would I not register my mags?

Since they require you to list every mag that is considered hi cap, I believe that they will send out some kind of sticker for these mags to identify them as registered. It's not in the works now but why wouldn't they? If I had 100 AR mags and registered 3 of them, who is the wiser? Right? I'm sure the geniuses at large will figure this out. So, any mag not registered by Jan 1, 2014 will become illegal. Period. So, the idiots who make these laws will collect the info on the regstered mags and then "decide" to mail out stickers that must be affixed to every registered mag so they can be accounted for. I'm sure that ranges will be required to check for this stamp or decal somewhere down the road.

So, to make a point with the government, I expose myself to too many pitfalls that make it stupid to not follow the law. Like I said, I am moving out of state when I can and until then I choose to be legal, as I have been my entire life.

I'd bet 80% of the people here would do it the right way, given the choice, if required by law. You have too much to lose if you choose to ignore any law.

You can't suddenly decide to register them if they pull this stunt because you missed your deadline and they now cannot be put to public use in any way (except for the bad guys who don't follow the law anyways). So, it seems that all those who do not register their mags or deliberately under-report them will get caught in a trick bag and possibly lose their right to own in any state.
 
Larry, I don't believe it was the intention of Nickel Plated nor was it mine to imply that we or others are 'braver' or that you're making the wrong decision. You're right that there are consequences to every action.

I won't get into details on an internet forum, but the conversation of what to do if we had to register our AR15's came up a lot in the early spring when they were trying to ban them.
And knowing that registration leads to confiscation, many, many of us have already made our decisions and no matter what an American decides to do he will have to face the consequences either way.

If you're satisfied with the choice you've made, then that's all that matters. We're all on the same side even if we have different opinions in some regards.
 
I'd bet 80% of the people here would do it the right way, given the choice, if required by law. You have too much to lose if you choose to ignore any law.
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Yup. Not only is there the felony conviction which prevents me from owning firearms anymore, but I am an attorney. As someone with a professional license I lose my license to practice if I get caught doing something like that. My family's income depends on me doing what I do. "Sorry kids, we're losing our home because daddy tried to pull a fast one" just doesn't cut it.

For now, my priorities have shifted to firearms that offer the best firepower allowed with the new laws (ie. things like a Ruger SR45 which has a 10 round mag of .45acp so it's in compliance even at standard capacity), and getting the laws repealed.
 
As I had previously mentioned, the only place I can shoot is a public range, everything I use is open to public scrutiny. I shoot everything I have, no secret stashes of NFA guns, I'm not even into black rifles.

As we see what's happening in NYC, where they're using lists of previously legally possessed and registered weapons which are now illegal under newly passed law to confiscate them, I don't doubt this is the first step in CT. The party in power wanted to outlaw "assault weapons" and "high capacity" magazines outright, but the minority party got them to agree to the current compromise of registering them. Who know how long this it will last?

No matter what, I'm still going to register whatever is required to be registered, not ready to be the poster boy for illegal possession, the first to be arrested for the civil disobedience of refusing to comply.

While it's easy to point fingers at others, keep your fingers crossed your state does not enact similar legislation making you a potential criminal, and pray that you never have to find out what you'd actually do.
 
Doesn't this discussion just point out the fallacy of all kinds of registration? Only the law-abiding will go along with the registration. The criminals will never register anything.
 
...The criminals will never register anything.
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Ain't that the conundrum we face here in CT!


If we law abiding gun owners DO NOT register, then we become felons. Makes me sick to my stomach
 
This applies to all laws passed across the country. Every law passed to protect the children does nothing to keep guns out of the hands of the criminals. None. Explain to me how the NY Safe Act of 7 rounds in a magazine or CTs law of 10 rounds protects one single person from a criminal? It's all a fascade and a step towards registration and then confiscation. It's maddening and sickening.
 
As usual, our useless politicians try to create an impression they're doing something, when the reality is they do nothing.

But if their spin doctors and consultants tell them a new law,regardless of actual impact, will get them a few more votes, there's no way they won't do it, regardless of the consequences.
 
Speedo66 said:
As usual, our useless politicians try to create an impression they're doing something, when the reality is they do nothing.
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It all comes down to disarming the American people, which thanks to our Constitution they can only do (without using force) with the support of the American people. The guise of public safety has worked in the past in many countries so they use it here.

Kind of dumb but I often think back to a quote in one of the new Star Wars movies where they name a dictator with emergency powers and the girl says; So this is how Democracy dies... At the sound of applause.
 
I would be in trouble with this law, as would many others.
I have a mag that I bought cheap at a gunshow years ago hoping it would fit my older Buckmark. I did not, the pin to depress the follower is on the wrong side. How would I register it as I have no idea what it would fit? I used to buy mags at shows that I thought would fit a buddy's gun. Back then you could sometimes get a couple from "the box" thrown in with the purchase. I found a couple of unknowns doing a clean before sale on the old truck.
My dad had a few in the bottom of some buckets of stuff he had bought at the fleamarket long ago. The only firearm he ever owned was a Remington single shot bolt .22,
10 round mags have been around over a hundred years and are common and inexpensive. You cannot find and register them all.
 
Wow. just Wow.
What has happened to the once proud lovers of liberty in the 13 colonies?
When is the right time to stand for what's right?
 
hovercat said:
I would be in trouble with this law, as would many others.
I have a mag that I bought cheap at a gunshow years ago hoping it would fit my older Buckmark. I did not, the pin to depress the follower is on the wrong side. How would I register it as I have no idea what it would fit? I used to buy mags at shows that I thought would fit a buddy's gun. Back then you could sometimes get a couple from "the box" thrown in with the purchase. I found a couple of unknowns doing a clean before sale on the old truck.
My dad had a few in the bottom of some buckets of stuff he had bought at the fleamarket long ago. The only firearm he ever owned was a Remington single shot bolt .22,
10 round mags have been around over a hundred years and are common and inexpensive. You cannot find and register them all.
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You don't have to register 10 round mags.
 
I did all the paperwork, too much to loose, 23 years in the military, I'm no felon. It's easy to talk a good game about not obeying the law but if you just hide away your stuff you aren't really making a stand. Unless you are willing to go public that you aren't obeying the law then you aren' t doing anything accept hiding. I use my guns in several states, I compete, I take classes to improve, without the ability to take my guns and gear out and use them I might as well sell them. Talk about civil disobedience is cheap.
David E.
 
I agree David. OilyPablo and his ilk are one major gun tragedy away from being in the SAME situation we here in CT face
 
I wouldn't do it. Move.
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To make a statement like this, you must live alone, not have any extended family that you care about, don't have a job you like or have no life to uproot and move away from. This sounds noble from an idealistic point of view but to uproot all you have and move to another state is not as easy as typing those words on an internet forum. If you have nothing to lose then I guess moving away at a moment's notice is the right thing to do, for you, but a great many more people have lives and family that make that an option that is not available at the present.

As I stated, I am moving in the next 3 years, not 3 weeks or 3 months. I choose to live within the laws of the state I am presently in. The state will lose anything they get from my life here including income taxes, property taxes as well as sales taxes, fuel taxes, etc. I will let them know, on my way out, that they lost my "contribution" due to their stupid laws. They won't care.
 
Actually, I'm one who DID in fact leave the state because of this garbage. I have 11 uncles, 6 Aunts and more family in New london County than I even know about. I worked for General Dynamics at Electric Boat. Loved my job and it paid very well for what I did.
I moved everything myself and my wife owned to a State that still respects our God Given Rights.

To say that leaving isn't an option is ridiculous. Anything can be accomplished its all based on desires.

I refuse to Obey, I refuse to be ruled, I refuse to be dictated to. Sensibly I had the option to leave, so I packed up and left within months. If they attack me again in this State, there will be no place left for me to go and I will go to them with vengeance.
 
Actually, I'm one who DID in fact leave the state because of this garbage. I have 11 uncles, 6 Aunts and more family in New london County than I even know about. I worked for General Dynamics at Electric Boat. Loved my job and it paid very well for what I did.
I moved everything myself and my wife owned to a State that still respects our God Given Rights.

To say that leaving isn't an option is ridiculous. Anything can be accomplished its all based on desires.

I refuse to Obey, I refuse to be ruled, I refuse to be dictated to. Sensibly I had the option to leave, so I packed up and left within months. If they attack me again in this State, there will be no place left for me to go and I will go to them with vengeance.
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Good for you!

It's not so easy for some of us
 
Speedo66 said:
"You can fingerprint yourself using a stamp pad. Just be sure to roll completely from left to right."

Just curious, where does it say fingerprints must be rolled? When printed for sending to FBI, some prints are rolled, some are just stamped down.

I used a regular stamp pad at the bank where I had the forms notarized, and just stamped my print down. I don't think they're going to expect citizens to roll prints. Way too easy to make mistakes, smudge, etc.

For what it's worth, Purell did a decent job of removing most of the stamp pad ink at the bank. ;)
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All the official fingerprint forms I've had filled out on me have both rolled and stamped fingerprints. Each individual fingerprint is rolled, then the fingers as a group are stamped.

Probably has to do with obtaining both the largest record of a fingerprint as well as a physically accurate representation of a typical "stamped" fingerprint that might be found on something.
 
freyasman said:
What if I were to fill out say 15-20 of these forms and send them in? Give the name Heywood Jablowme, and just made up a number of items to register? It would muddy the waters, and tie up the process, and since I don't live in CT and wouldn't go there if they were holding my mother hostage, I don't think they could do anything to me.... Does anyone have any thoughts on throwing a few monkey wrenches into the works?
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It would also be falsification of official documents, which is also a punishable offense.

I wouldn't recommend muddying the waters this way. Either comply with the law by registering them or get them out of the state until the law changes or you move out of the state yourself.
 
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