10 gun ccw permit
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ArchAngelCD
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Philadelphia is a different story story because their current police chief is the former police chief of Washington DC and they made a law contrary to the rest of the state.
Carrying a loaded handgun in your car is not "open carry".
Even though open carry is totally legal in the Northeast of PA it's not common like in central PA and other locations. Doing so can cause drama and sometimes law enforcement doesn't know the laws. BUT, it's still much better here in PA than most other states, with exceptions of course.
ArchAngelCD
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I agree...
When told by some anti-handgun people there should be strict licensing laws and a permit should be necessary and not covered under the Second Amendment I ask them if they think it would be alright if each time a newspaper writer wanted to publish an article they should apply for a permit to do so. Of course they say, "That's different" but I explain to them it's not different and both Amendments to the Constitution are equal. They always say the pen is more powerful than the sword but act in the reverse.
longknife12
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My Colorado CHP is issued to me, not any particular weapon.
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PiratePenguin
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I'm not sure what you mean by that - it's specifically stated in the state law that you need a license to carry (concealed or open) in Philadelphia, it's not at the city level. (PA Code Title 18 §6108)
Open carry doesn't have a legal definition in PA as far as I know - it's a negative space created by a lack of laws prohibiting it. Given that I think it's worth pointing out that transporting a firearm in a vehicle without an LTCF is illegal (with some well-defined exceptions), especially since other states (like VA) do not prohibit that (again AFAIK)
oneounceload
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It wasn't that long ago that NV let you list two gun types on your permit - now you could have a bazillion of each model, but you were limited to two models only - that has now been changed I am told, so having 10 in CA is a good deal. For those whining, do any of you really rotate through 10 different guns for CC?
DammitBoy
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Whining? We're just amazed you think that's great.
"Look, the governments leash isn't really that tight!" doesn't sound like liberty to me, your mileage may vary.
What's that quote about "may your chains be comfortable"?
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“If you love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.” ― Samuel Adams
"Look, the governments leash isn't really that tight!" doesn't sound like liberty to me, your mileage may vary.
What's that quote about "may your chains be comfortable"?
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Edited: found the quote...
“If you love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.” ― Samuel Adams
In Minnesota we can do our permit shooting test with anything including a .22 and most instructors have a pretty easy shooting test.
We can open or conceal carry, no restrictions on quantity or type of handguns, and no list of weapons on permit.
We can open or conceal carry, no restrictions on quantity or type of handguns, and no list of weapons on permit.
flintlock62
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In my opinion, it's none of the government's business what gun I own, or choose to carry. To tell them what you carry, is a form of registration.
oneounceload
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For CA? It is amazing..........for most other states, not as much; compared to NYC, Chicago, NJ, DC It is VERY generous
Easy for folks who have never had to deal with those things to pooh-pooh and slam them, but considering all the new restrictions imposed in CA, I am surprised they were allowed that many
DammitBoy
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I've lived in California and DC. Never again!
ArchAngelCD
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Why is it every time a thread comes up like this one it seems someone wants to play word games? Yes I know there is no laws governing open carry, that's why there are no restrictions on open carry.
When I was talking about Philly what I meant was the city leaders got the laws changed so that any City of the First Class required a LTCF to carry a gun. It just so happens Philly is the only city in PA which qualifies. Just a side note, I did not talk about transporting a gun in the car. I clearly mentioned a "loaded handgun" in the car.
This isn't a contest and really a little OT, which truthfully was partially my fault.
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flintlock62
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Which is the way it should be. I moved back to Arkansas from Tennessee, and time warped in to the past century.
Lucky Derby
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Not correct. CA does not require the CCW guns to be registered, however the local issueing agency may make that requirement.
Quiet
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CA laws requires the make, model, caliber and serial number of all handguns authorized to be carried to be printed on the CA LTC permit. [PC 26175(i)]
It's not legal to carry handguns not listed on one's permit or that deviate from what's listed on the permit (example caliber conversions).
Due to the "may issue" CCW issuance system...
CA issuing agencies also have "underground" regulations/restrictions that they have regarding handgun listing on the permits they issue because they need to approve what gets listed on the permit.
Examples...
1. The amount of handguns listed on the permit. Because CA's standardized CCW application only has space to list three handguns, most issuing agencies limits the amount of handguns to three, even though there is no state laws that regulates it (no maximum limit per state laws).
2. Caliber restrictions. Some issuing agencies utilize a minimum and maximum caliber restriction on what handgun gets listed on the permit.
3. Types of handguns. Some issuing agencies do not approve certain types of handguns because they feel they are impractical or not safe.
4. No modifications/alterations. Some issuing agencies will not approve handguns that have been modified (trigger work, laser sights, etc.), which is the same standard they hold their LEOs to.
5. Needs to be registered. Some issuing agencies will not approve handguns that are not registered to the person applying for the permit.
Penal Code 26175
(i) Any license issued upon the application shall set forth the licensee's name, occupation, residence and business address, the licensee's age, height, weight, color of eyes and hair, and the reason for desiring a license to carry the weapon, and shall, in addition, contain a description of the weapon or weapons authorized to be carried, giving the name of the manufacturer, the serial number, and the caliber. The license issued to the licensee may be laminated.
It's not legal to carry handguns not listed on one's permit or that deviate from what's listed on the permit (example caliber conversions).
Due to the "may issue" CCW issuance system...
CA issuing agencies also have "underground" regulations/restrictions that they have regarding handgun listing on the permits they issue because they need to approve what gets listed on the permit.
Examples...
1. The amount of handguns listed on the permit. Because CA's standardized CCW application only has space to list three handguns, most issuing agencies limits the amount of handguns to three, even though there is no state laws that regulates it (no maximum limit per state laws).
2. Caliber restrictions. Some issuing agencies utilize a minimum and maximum caliber restriction on what handgun gets listed on the permit.
3. Types of handguns. Some issuing agencies do not approve certain types of handguns because they feel they are impractical or not safe.
4. No modifications/alterations. Some issuing agencies will not approve handguns that have been modified (trigger work, laser sights, etc.), which is the same standard they hold their LEOs to.
5. Needs to be registered. Some issuing agencies will not approve handguns that are not registered to the person applying for the permit.
Penal Code 26175
(i) Any license issued upon the application shall set forth the licensee's name, occupation, residence and business address, the licensee's age, height, weight, color of eyes and hair, and the reason for desiring a license to carry the weapon, and shall, in addition, contain a description of the weapon or weapons authorized to be carried, giving the name of the manufacturer, the serial number, and the caliber. The license issued to the licensee may be laminated.
HoosierQ
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Wow. In Indiana it's "any lawfully possessed handgun"...so if you borrow you Dad's 1911, you're cool.
Deaf Smith
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The only LIMIT Texas has on CCW (CHL) is how many you can conceal on your bod at once.
See you do have to conceal them, so if you can conceal 10 of 'em at once, then that's the limit.
Oh, you mean limit to actually using ONLY those guns for CCW?
Not here in Texas! No stink'en limits.
Live Leak has a Texas map showing each gun owner in Texas.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b47_1357511645
Each dot on the map represents a gun owner! Should not be hard to find me on the map.
Deaf
See you do have to conceal them, so if you can conceal 10 of 'em at once, then that's the limit.
Oh, you mean limit to actually using ONLY those guns for CCW?
Not here in Texas! No stink'en limits.
Live Leak has a Texas map showing each gun owner in Texas.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b47_1357511645
Each dot on the map represents a gun owner! Should not be hard to find me on the map.
Deaf
BullfrogKen
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ArchAngel, not to play semantics, but . . . the PA legislature describes cities by classes. Philly (by population) is a City of the First Class. The legislature often writes legislation that deals with cities of different classes, differently. This is another of those instances.
And although its not widely known, during a declared state emergency the only citizens who may lawfully carry a firearm - anywhere in the state - are those with a LTC.
Why care about a state emergency? They're declared more often than people think. During any natural disaster the Governor is likely to declare a state of emergency because it allows the victims access to disaster relief and mobilizes the resources of the state. Or during snowstorms, making it possible for the roadways to be cleared - voluntarily or through towing - so the plows can do their job.
Unless the Governor formally rescinds the SOE (which rarely happens), it remains in effect until it expires, which I believe is 90 days. So it's very likely that a resident without a LTC may not even realize that he was in violation of the law, like during Hurricane Sandy which was really just a regional event. People in the western part of the state got a heavy rainstorm, and the SOE lasted for many weeks afterwards.
Anyway, glad the OP got a bit more flexibility with his permit.
And although its not widely known, during a declared state emergency the only citizens who may lawfully carry a firearm - anywhere in the state - are those with a LTC.
Why care about a state emergency? They're declared more often than people think. During any natural disaster the Governor is likely to declare a state of emergency because it allows the victims access to disaster relief and mobilizes the resources of the state. Or during snowstorms, making it possible for the roadways to be cleared - voluntarily or through towing - so the plows can do their job.
Unless the Governor formally rescinds the SOE (which rarely happens), it remains in effect until it expires, which I believe is 90 days. So it's very likely that a resident without a LTC may not even realize that he was in violation of the law, like during Hurricane Sandy which was really just a regional event. People in the western part of the state got a heavy rainstorm, and the SOE lasted for many weeks afterwards.
Anyway, glad the OP got a bit more flexibility with his permit.
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ArchAngelCD said:
Not in all counties. I'm a LEO in Lebanon County and it takes about 2 weeks after you apply for your permit to receive it. It is really frustrating! Every other county I have lived in I got it the same day!!! Grrrr!!
oneounceload
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In FL, we have a concealed WEAPONS License so we can carry any weapon, not just limited to handguns - brass knuckles, etc.; but having lived next door to CA for over 20 years and having put up with NV's limits at that time, it can get confusing. In NV, your CCWs were tied to your driver's license which was your SSN (now they use a code, but it is still your SSN); here in FL CWLs are issued by the AG Commissioner's office and not tied to ANY LEO database.
While a simple, one-size-fits-all rule sounds reasonable, that would mean a Federal intervention, so I will stick with letting each state set their rules as they see fit.
Fryerpower
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There is more to it than that. The Tennessee law allows people with HGPs to carry LOADED long guns in the passenger compartment of a car or truck, however the chamber must be empty. You can have a round in the chamber of your long gun if you are in imminent danger. It is perfectly legal to have a scary "assault weapon" on the seat beside you with a full "high capacity" magazine in it, as long as the chamber is empty.
Jim
There is more to it than that. The Tennessee law allows people with HGPs to carry LOADED long guns in the passenger compartment of a car or truck, however the chamber must be empty. You can have a round in the chamber of your long gun if you are in imminent danger. It is perfectly legal to have a scary "assault weapon" on the seat beside you with a full "high capacity" magazine in it, as long as the chamber is empty.
Jim
a lot of deer hunters in Virginia wouldn't know what to do then...they can't hunt without riding around in their trucks.
DammitBoy
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In a free state, the government has no say over you carrying any firearm in your vehicle, nor does it try to tell you whether you are allowed to load your firearm or not.
ArchAngelCD
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Yeah, I mistakenly said City of Majority instead of City of the First Class which is should have been. Thanks for fixing that...
My mistake then, I should have said Lackawanna and Luzerne counties issue same day LTC. I should have realized each County has the right to decide how they handle permits.
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