I live in New York and things are changing so drastically that I can't keep up with them. Thought maybe a general discussion of the new laws could be good for us New York people. My first question is can reloading components still be shipped in from online sales? I received an email from Midway that they can no longer ship ammunition to New York but I have heard nothing on reloading components. As far as I know there is no mention of reloading anywhere in the SAFE Act.
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SleazyRider
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Sometimes it's not the law, but the vendor who is gun-shy about shipping to us. For example, I learned this Christmas past that Amazon won't ship airguns to NYS residents even though they are legal (it's only the "big city" and its surrounds that these guns are unlawful). So they play it safe and won't ship. I simply ordered the two Crosman airguns from elsewhere. Ditto for many, may other sellers both large and small---just peruse some of the listings on Gunbroker and you'll see what I mean. Slingshots with wrist supports are also unlawful in New York, but I don't believe Amazon and other vendors are aware of that, so if you've got the notion to buy one you'd better "git while the gittin's good."
I have an 03 FFL, so I was hoping this would suffice to buy surplus ammo online like I have been for the past 10 years, but no. Now I'd have to have a NYS permit as a reseller to get it shipped to me. So I now take the 12-mile drive across the Delaware River into PA to buy my ammo. It just doesn't make sense.
Perhaps we should take a more therapeutic approach to our "support group" by listing sellers that are "New York friendly." I'll go first: Pyramyd Air, who is still willing to ship to New York zip codes where it's legal to own air guns.
I have an 03 FFL, so I was hoping this would suffice to buy surplus ammo online like I have been for the past 10 years, but no. Now I'd have to have a NYS permit as a reseller to get it shipped to me. So I now take the 12-mile drive across the Delaware River into PA to buy my ammo. It just doesn't make sense.
Perhaps we should take a more therapeutic approach to our "support group" by listing sellers that are "New York friendly." I'll go first: Pyramyd Air, who is still willing to ship to New York zip codes where it's legal to own air guns.
That's a good thought. I'm going to try Midway for some primers and powder here next week.
OrangePwrx9
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Dolmar, I called Midway a week ago and asked this very question. Powder, primers, cases and bullets are still legal to purchase online for NY residents.
As you probably know, the state doesn't have anything set up to do background checks for ammunition at this time. That's why you can still buy ammo at Wal-Mart and check it out with the groceries and blue jeans, no questions asked.
As you probably know, the state doesn't have anything set up to do background checks for ammunition at this time. That's why you can still buy ammo at Wal-Mart and check it out with the groceries and blue jeans, no questions asked.
RPRNY
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Good idea for a thread. It is my understanding of the GOD Act 2013 (Gun Owner Discrimination Act 2013, sometimes called the SAFE Act) that it does not prohibit component shipments to residents. One theory is that the "law" was designed to foil immediate acts of violence with firearms so the FTF requirement for ammo sales was designed to work with the State background check. Since there was no money and no will by the State police to do a State background check system, now scrapped, the FTF ammo sales requirement no longer makes any sense, within the confines of an insane law, so it should be scrapped. But that would require further admission of stupidity and incompetence. So don't hold your breath. In reality the failure to ban component sales stems from the ignorance of the "law's" authors. "You mean they can make bullets and clips an things at home! HOLY CRAP, we have to ban that!" Expect an amendment to that effect later this year...
Sounds right to me. Wish NYC would break off and go on its own, instead they are always breaking one off in us. Just have to keep on spreading the Gospel of Common Sense according to Smith and Wesson.
On another note for those of us in the Thousand Island region there is a new gun shop that just opened up in Lafargeville that specializes in making AR15's compliant and new sales. I haven't been there yet but I'll let you guys know how it is.
Except no state, anywhere, has banned reloading components. You would think that someone must know about it. I keep thinking that they can't be that ignorant. Clearly many of them are, but all of them? That just seems so unlikely.
Given that most mass shootings are well planned in advance, the idea that only FTF ammo purchases will prevent them is pretty absurd. I assume that was the reason for waiting periods for buying handguns. But both only work for someone that doesn't have ammo right now or a gun right now.
RPRNY, do you know for a fact that the background check for ammo is scrapped? I know it was postponed and that they say they are working on creating the system. When you think of the info it must contain, I wonder how they plan on getting it? I'd be a little surprised if the FBI would give them their data, so the background check can only be for NY State.
If the SAFE Act didn't contain so many errors I would think that the government knows that most of this will not prevent anything and that it is just for show. I suppose they can be both stupid and devious.
RPRNY
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I know only that the planned State background check for ammo sales has been practically scrapped because the Feds won't do it for Cuomo, the State police have said that they can't do it (and of course there is considerable antipathy to the Act among law enforcement circles, albeit mainly county) and the fools in Albany failed to budget for a system (punitive taxation of ammo will be the next big push). Will a background check for ammo sales ever emerge ? Quite possibly. Given that no legislators have paid the price for support of the Act, including no party sanction against the many Republican Senators whose votes were critical to its midnight passage, expansion is indeed likely.
CT will not, I understand, allow sale components without one of their new ammo permits. A similar ammo permit is a likely future development here.
CT will not, I understand, allow sale components without one of their new ammo permits. A similar ammo permit is a likely future development here.
I don't think you can say likely, although you could say possible. Perhaps being from Westchester (just north of NYC for those who aren't residents of NY) I can understand you being more pessimistic than me, being that I'm from Western NY.
I suspect the legislature has seen enough flack from the law that they aren't likely to go any further for a while. If some of them lose in their next election that should put a lid on it.
No funding and no resources is a good motivation for the State Police to do nothing, especially when they probably don't want to enforce it in the first place.
One can only hope that this has killed Cuomo's chance at a run for the presidency. Any opponent only has to bring up how he rammed through this poorly written legislation late at night without giving the legislators a chance to read it. Besides, who wants a thug in the White House?
SleazyRider
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I suspect their ignorance knows no bounds. Consider that one could still mail-order a black powder pistol and accouterments in New York, ram up six .44 caliber balls, and visit havoc upon any venue of choice. Call it the "black powder loophole" if you will, but these guns are every bit as lethal as ones that use metallic cartridges. And what did Jesse James, et al, do to overcome their limited capacity? They carried 5 or 6 of them. Shhhhh.
scaatylobo
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@Sleazy
Yes we should all know and use that loophole before its plugged.
Funny that no idiots that already abuse guns [ driveby's & active shooters ] have caught on to this fact ?.
But the first one that does,will most likely use smokeless powder,and we will all get a huge laugh at his "Darwin Theory" moment.
I am a 'bit' annoyed that since NYS cannot do the ammo sale thing [ NICS check ] that they have stopped the internet sale so we could all save a few buck & actually find ammo.
Yes we should all know and use that loophole before its plugged.
Funny that no idiots that already abuse guns [ driveby's & active shooters ] have caught on to this fact ?.
But the first one that does,will most likely use smokeless powder,and we will all get a huge laugh at his "Darwin Theory" moment.
I am a 'bit' annoyed that since NYS cannot do the ammo sale thing [ NICS check ] that they have stopped the internet sale so we could all save a few buck & actually find ammo.
Speedo66
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Under long standing NYS law, once you load that "antique" revolver, it becomes a regular revolver, and subject to licensing laws.
It will be interesting to see what anti-gun effects the new mayor of NY, DeBlasio, will have. His stated intention is to move NYC solidly to the left. Kind of funny in that one of his campaign promises was to tax the wealthy to pay for a Pre-K program. Gov. ("I'm one of you, I own a shotgun") Cuomo, who is probably going to run for president, doesn't want to piss off his wealthy backers, so he's offered the money so DeBlasio doesn't have to tax them. DeBlasio is trying to ignore the Gov, says he still wants to run the program on the backs of the wealthy.
I don't doubt that DeBlasio already has planned a program to diminish gun ownership in the city, just waiting for the right time, i.e., the next tragic shooting, to spring it on NYC gun owners.
For what it's worth, the CT ammo program allows you to fax or email a copy of your drivers license and card (ammo purchase, pistol license, long gun purchase license) to an online retailer, and once on file, they can send you ammo through the mail with nothing further required for as long as the license is valid.
It will be interesting to see what anti-gun effects the new mayor of NY, DeBlasio, will have. His stated intention is to move NYC solidly to the left. Kind of funny in that one of his campaign promises was to tax the wealthy to pay for a Pre-K program. Gov. ("I'm one of you, I own a shotgun") Cuomo, who is probably going to run for president, doesn't want to piss off his wealthy backers, so he's offered the money so DeBlasio doesn't have to tax them. DeBlasio is trying to ignore the Gov, says he still wants to run the program on the backs of the wealthy.
I don't doubt that DeBlasio already has planned a program to diminish gun ownership in the city, just waiting for the right time, i.e., the next tragic shooting, to spring it on NYC gun owners.
For what it's worth, the CT ammo program allows you to fax or email a copy of your drivers license and card (ammo purchase, pistol license, long gun purchase license) to an online retailer, and once on file, they can send you ammo through the mail with nothing further required for as long as the license is valid.
SleazyRider
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You're absolutely right, and therein lies the paradox: who but the law-abiding will conform to this law? If I were a felon contemplating an evil act---which I am not---I'd be on the phone with Cabelas right now, credit card in hand. That .36 caliber Sheriff's Model sure would fit nicely in a coat pocket, you know.
BTW, my understanding is that in NYS you don't even need to load it, you only need to have the "fixins"---powder, balls, caps---in ones possession, and it must then be registered just like a metallic cartridge handgun. I have six BP revolvers listed on my permit along with my modern handguns.
If anyone thinks that police are pro 2nd amendment they need to rethink that notion. I watched a video in NY state assembly where a gop guy was asking one of the sponsers Joe Lentol about confiscation etc and our hero Lentol said safe act was written by heroic police, it is their bill
ThorinNNY
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There`s going to be an anti S.A.F.E. Act Rally at the Capitol Park in Albany on April 1.I communicated with Melody Burns , one of the organizers. They picked that date because April 1 is the day they vote on the budget, so a large crowd in the park at noon time will probably attract some legis - critters and maybe do our cause some good.
Dolmar, there was a fellow , a businessman from Rochester, who had a website about divorcing upstate from NYC and LI. There was a lively discussion going there for a while but then the website disappeared or maybe WAS DISAPPEARED if you get my drift. After that I couldn`t send him e mails anymore and his phone was disconnected. That happened several years ago, Too bad, I thought he was onto a good thing!
Dolmar, there was a fellow , a businessman from Rochester, who had a website about divorcing upstate from NYC and LI. There was a lively discussion going there for a while but then the website disappeared or maybe WAS DISAPPEARED if you get my drift. After that I couldn`t send him e mails anymore and his phone was disconnected. That happened several years ago, Too bad, I thought he was onto a good thing!
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"You would think that someone must know about it. I keep thinking that they can't be that ignorant."
One word. Just one word. Magazineclip.
I know this is supposed to be a support group and all, but a lot of ya'll seem resigned to additional restrictions, and seem focused more on circumventing them while possible before their inevitable passage. By that logic, it's only a matter of time before outdoor shooting is banned and indoor ranges zoned out of existence. So why bother? Why not direct all that effort, anxiety, fury, and money toward something more effective like RKBA organizations, or an eventual move to friendlier territory? I say either because they have similar theoretical effects (resources diverted toward our cause) and many proud NY'ers certainly prefer the former to the latter.
Hoarding bullets in your basement while they let you won't do a thing to let you shoot them legally. Short-sighted thinking is what get's people in these situations in the first place. Still you all have my greatest sympathy for being hated for something as benign as any hobby, and as important as a way of life.
Condolences,
TCB
One word. Just one word. Magazineclip.
I know this is supposed to be a support group and all, but a lot of ya'll seem resigned to additional restrictions, and seem focused more on circumventing them while possible before their inevitable passage. By that logic, it's only a matter of time before outdoor shooting is banned and indoor ranges zoned out of existence. So why bother? Why not direct all that effort, anxiety, fury, and money toward something more effective like RKBA organizations, or an eventual move to friendlier territory? I say either because they have similar theoretical effects (resources diverted toward our cause) and many proud NY'ers certainly prefer the former to the latter.
Hoarding bullets in your basement while they let you won't do a thing to let you shoot them legally. Short-sighted thinking is what get's people in these situations in the first place. Still you all have my greatest sympathy for being hated for something as benign as any hobby, and as important as a way of life.
Condolences,
TCB
Speedo66
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How appropriate for the NYS legislature, April Fools Day.
RPRNY
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barnbwt,
Those who live outside NY seem to be under the impression that if decent folks just tried a little harder, we could change things here. Let me disabuse you of this impression. New York is ruled by a Liberal Democratic cabal that derives its power from the City, a geographically tiny part of the State. That the vast and overwhelming majority of the rest of the State does not support this cabal and its policies is utterly irrelevant to the clique in Albany that controls the government.
There can be no better explanation for this dilemma than to view the following map, which shows 2010 NY Assembly election results by town:
http://andyarthur.org/data/d/maps/09/3/map_09390_d.pdf
After seeing that, you may understand why there is a sense of resignation about the Left's agenda in this state.
Those who live outside NY seem to be under the impression that if decent folks just tried a little harder, we could change things here. Let me disabuse you of this impression. New York is ruled by a Liberal Democratic cabal that derives its power from the City, a geographically tiny part of the State. That the vast and overwhelming majority of the rest of the State does not support this cabal and its policies is utterly irrelevant to the clique in Albany that controls the government.
There can be no better explanation for this dilemma than to view the following map, which shows 2010 NY Assembly election results by town:
http://andyarthur.org/data/d/maps/09/3/map_09390_d.pdf
After seeing that, you may understand why there is a sense of resignation about the Left's agenda in this state.
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