The New York State resident support group thread.

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"That the vast and overwhelming majority of the rest of the State does not support this cabal and its policies is utterly irrelevant to the clique in Albany that controls the government."
Than why apply your efforts, small and ineffective as you claim, where they can reap no reward? Why not admit defeat, and retreat (either physically or monetarily) to friendly territory instead of waiting for eventual annihilation? They still let you leave the state and donate money to outside groups, no?

I also know that a dedicated and savvy group of fighters can stand up to many, many times their number and resources in guerilla conflicts; why cannot the same be true for more "civilized" battles waged here in the homeland with protests, flyers, and publicity events? Too many retiree gunowners out there for us to have as few "professional protesters" as we seem to have ;). The anti's seem to always have them in abundance.

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I also know that a dedicated and savvy group of fighters can stand up to many, many times their number and resources in guerilla conflicts; why cannot the same be true for more "civilized" battles waged here in the homeland with protests, flyers, and publicity events? Too many retiree gunowners out there for us to have as few "professional protesters" as we seem to have ;). The anti's seem to always have them in abundance.
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Force multipliers do not apply in a one person, one vote battle.

Oddly, I never seem to see any anti's protesting, although I have no problem joining with hundreds or thousands in support of 2A protections.

We challenged may issue handgun licenses with Kachalsky v. Cacace and SCOTUS thumbed their noses at us.

A freshman state senator from upstate NY had a petition to repeal the new laws up on her Senate website before the governor had even signed the new law, and it took the State Police only a few days to make certain that the very first arrest under the new laws was in her Senate district.

We gathered several thousand on the lawn outside the NY capitol building on a mild NY winter day a year ago, and the downstate papers reported on how the state needed to spend $60k to reseed the lawn.

If anybody outside NY has any new ideas, by all means let us know. We have quite a hill to climb. For instance, we have to battle this one downstate county, and it has some size to it. As a matter of fact, if this one county split off from NY state, it would be the 36th largest state in the US by population - yes, just that one county. I do love to hear about the gun laws in places like Idaho and Montana, but here in NY we have single counties that are larger than either state, and one city that is four times larger than those two states combined, and those counties and NYC will vote for gun control *every single time*.

Here is a thought - if the citizens of other states consider the 2A to be of importance throughout the US, please help us here in NY. Consider moving upstate so that we can combat the creeping menace of downstate anti 2A voters. A mere 4 million dedicated 2A supporters could win the battle for us.
 
… if the citizens of other states consider the 2A to be of importance throughout the US, please help us here in NY.

And therein lies the biggest mystery to me: I was under the impression the the Bill of Rights knows no state boundaries; that it applied to all citizens of the United States equally. I was wrong.
 
Get the word out in ways they can't suppress. Don't play by their rules, relying on their media and processes to get the job completed. Flyers, flash protests or publicity events, (legal/intelligent/purposeful) police/anti stings caught on camera. None of these things rely upon cooperation from those around you, and will keep the local anti's busy trying to suppress you, instead of looking beyond their boarders. I guarantee that a protest march or propaganda won't go unnoticed in the neighborhoods of our opposition.

Again, if it really is impossible to do anything, why bother? From the outside and elsewhere, we actually are making progress, and could use the assistance. A few dozen more gunnies in NYC (that's all you'll get, btw) won't change anything. The Libertarians have been trying that for decades in that one town with little success.

TCB
 
barnbwt,

Those who live outside NY seem to be under the impression that if decent folks just tried a little harder, we could change things here. Let me disabuse you of this impression. New York is ruled by a Liberal Democratic cabal that derives its power from the City...

....After seeing that, you may understand why there is a sense of resignation about the Left's agenda in this state.


Clearly there are those who live outside NY who still don't get it, even after having pictures drawn for them.

The suggestion that there is no RKBA activism in the State, despite several concrete recent examples cited, is offensive and wrong, as well as fraught with irony when coming from people in States without the threat posed by a giant Liberal cesspit in their midst. The SAFE Act is under challenge. Recent rulings are not promising. You may think this a uniquely NY problem. But if the Courts keep ruling in favor of the State, it will set precedents that are a Second Amendment problem across the nation.
 
. The SAFE Act is under challenge. Recent rulings are not promising. You may think this a uniquely NY problem. But if the Courts keep ruling in favor of the State, it will set precedents that are a Second Amendment problem across the nation.


Well said. I bet there are more pro firearm people in this country than not, problem is it's such a diverse group that it's hard to get them to all work together.
 
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I made the same suggestion in Post # 20 of the You have No Place in NY if you oppose the S.A.F.E. Act thread . Surprisingly :rolleyes: I didn`t get any takers on it. I got posts that said it`s your state, your mess, clean it up yourself! I honestly didn`t expect anyone to move into New York State and help us. I also got lot`s of posts saying get the hell out of NY.
Well if you're in New York State, you can do some things to help. Suggestions: join the New York State Rifle & Pistol Association, Inc. 90 S. Swan Street, Suite 395, Albany ,N.Y. 12210 (518) 272-2654 or go to www.nysrpa.org
or [email protected].

Come to the April 1 Rally at Capitol Park ,Albany. Feel free to bring some friends, signs and a pound of grass seed if you're worried about the lawn.:eek:

Join SCOPE Shooter`s Committee On Political Education, PO BOX 602, Tonawanda,NY 14151-0602 [email protected] or call (315) 27 SCOPE

SCOPE put up Billboards outside Alabany sticking it to Cuomo, and NYSRPA brought the lawsuits against the S.A.F.E. Act. Let the legisweasels know we`ll NEVER forgive nor forget who stabbed us in the back.:cuss:
 
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Since this is a NY State specific thread. Have there been any legislation, challenges or lawsuits to get rid of the "Sullivan Law' in the 102+ years it has been in effect?
 
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There have been some challenges to the Sullivan Act, but they didn`t get anywhere. As you correctly pointed out the Sullivan Act has been in effect for 102 years.
Right now the biggest thorn in the side of NY gun owners is the S.A.F.E. Act and is the one we have the better chance of overturning. If we defeat the S.A.F.E. Act, then we should consider taking on the long established Sullivan Act.
 
I would like to get rid of the whole SAFE Act at once, but if we're talking about incremental strategies (which is how the antis work), I would prioritize it like this:

1) The ammo restrictions have got to go. The negative impact on the shooting sports is going to be huge. It's hard enough to get ammo as it is, but when all this stuff kicks in (licensing of ammo dealers, background checks for ammo purchases, real-time reporting of amount and type purchased), it's going to send prices skyrocketing and is going to drive many sellers out of the ammo business all together.

2) All "assault weapons" bans are ludicrous, but the "one-feature assault weapon" restriction takes the prize for complete idiocy. A 10/22 with a thumbhole stock is now an "assault weapon"? A Mini-14 with a flash hider? An M1 carbine with a bayonet lug?

3) The end to grandfathering of pre-ban magazines represents a "taking" of legally-purchased property by the government. It's unjustifiable, legally or ethically.

Those are the Big Three that I'd like to see tumble first.

Let me add (preaching to the choir here) that none of this has anything to do with "safety," but is all about trying to make owning and shooting guns as difficult as possible. The goal is to discourage gun ownership across the board. It's culture war.
 
"Clearly there are those who live outside NY who still don't get it, even after having pictures drawn for them.

The suggestion that there is no RKBA activism in the State, despite several concrete recent examples cited, is offensive and wrong, as well as fraught with irony when coming from people in States without the threat posed by a giant Liberal cesspit in their midst."

There are also plenty of NYers who don't care to hear any input about how to better their situation from outsiders, despite their current course of action's demonstrably poor historical results. I'm not saying "try harder," I'm saying; try something different. Texans who believe in free gun rights are not ignoring the imminent threat posed by Austin (and Dallas/Houston a bit less so), they are hosting frequent rallies, demanding state legislators work to roll back restrictions and protect against new ones. Believe me, we Texans know just how easily Austin's rapid growth will tip the scales if we go about our business and let them do their thing. But unlike past gun rights battles --back east-- we are not tolerating them so long as they don't affect people in small towns or the country. We've learned from the mistakes of others, and are seeking to pull the cities to our side, rather than resisting them while we can. More importantly, we're working (or at least I and those I know are) to get a mutual respect between the city and country's gun ownership going, so neither will seek to harm it*

If successful, our cities will only become bigger and stronger bastions of gun rights philosophy. But it's still a long row to hoe (if you'll pardon the hay-seed vernacular). We certainly aren't saying "it's inevitable, curse those unstoppable liberal cess-pools." We're saying, "let's get them shooting with us". In DFW, at least, there's more gun stores and ranges opening inside and outside the city than you can shake a stick at, despite the huge influx of arrivals from diverse states. North Austin, too, though I'm less familiar with the day-to-day goings on there.

If Airsoft and paintball are popular in NYC, there is the potential for them to be allies.

TCB

*An awful lot of hunters will not appreciate increased competition from much wealthier city slickers for the scarce few hunting permits available in many places. And of course, man city slickers unfamiliar with guns do not appreciate them being fired daily mere miles away. If the city can be turned into a force for good in protecting sporting arts and the merits of 'country life' in general, and the rural areas made more open and available, much of the tension dissipates. If city dwellers are then convinced of the need, utility, and fun of gunownership, they will rapidly find common interest with those outside urban settings. It's all about mutual respect.
 
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Texans who believe in free gun rights are not ignoring the imminent threat posed by Austin (and Dallas/Houston a bit less so), they are hosting frequent rallies, demanding state legislators work to roll back restrictions and protect against new ones. Believe me, we Texans know just how easily Austin's rapid growth will tip the scales if we go about our business and let them do their thing. But unlike past gun rights battles --back east-- we are not tolerating them so long as they don't affect people in small towns or the country. We've learned from the mistakes of others,...
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I don't want to start a urination contest but what you posted hasn't been my experience here on THR.

I have pointed that out several times( Austin, DFW) and warned of how it can change and the Texans overwhelmingly reply with comments similar to "TX aint CA/NY/MD/CT/etc", "It'll never happed here", "Austin is its own isolated freak show" and then continually bash other states.. and worse... bash the citizens of those states as a whole and tell the Pro 2A'ers that "you get what you deserve! Clean up your own mess".

Its nice to know the at least one Texan on THR actually has his eyes open and takes a more (T)HR approach.
 
Sixteen New York State Counties have passed resolutions denying New York State the right to use their county seal ,logo, name etc. to be used in S.A.F.E. Act related letters. The Counties that have done so are : Allegany, Cattaragus, Cortland, Delaware, Essex, Herkimer, Niagara, Ostego, Oswego, Rensselaer, Schoharie, Steuben, Tioga, Wayne, Wyoming and Yates.
This is a good start, but much more needs to be done. Keep up the pressure on Cuomo and the rest of those expletive deleteds!
 
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Sixteen New York State Counties have passed resolutions denying New York State the right to use their county seal ,logo, name etc. to be used in S.A.F.E. Act related letters. The Counties that have done so are : Allegany, Cattaragus, Cortland, Delaware, Essex, Herkimer, Niagara, Ostego, Oswego, Rensselaer, Schoharie, Steuben, Tioga, Wayne, Wyoming and Yates.
This is a good start, but much more needs to be done. Keep up the pressure on Cuomo and the rest of those expletive deleteds!
Good start, 16 out of 62.
 
Good start, 16 out of 62

That's not the whole story. 50 of 62 counties have passed resolutions opposing the SAFE Act. Tompkins (Ithaca-Cornell), Albany, and the ten counties from Westchester south did not. So pretty much all of downstate. The NY Sheriffs Association officially opposed it. There's plenty of opposition, but the only way to win is through the courts or voting people out. As someone mentioned NY legislation is controlled by the "Three Men in the Back Room": Cuomo, Shelden Silver, and Dean Skelos (who replaced Joseph Buono). They agree on the outcome of the legislation and then whip their boys into submission. It's probably not 100% like this, but I'm sure they used bullying tactics to get SAFE passed.

When you have a state where almost half the residents live in one small area, their are a lot of common beliefs and fears that don't exist in the rest of (and most of geographically) the state because people are spread out. So voting people out is difficult, too. People don't want to vote their own incumbents out. We need to get rid of Cuomo.
 
That's not the whole story. 50 of 62 counties have passed resolutions opposing the SAFE Act. Tompkins (Ithaca-Cornell), Albany, and the ten counties from Westchester south did not. So pretty much all of downstate. The NY Sheriffs Association officially opposed it. There's plenty of opposition, but the only way to win is through the courts or voting people out. As someone mentioned NY legislation is controlled by the "Three Men in the Back Room": Cuomo, Shelden Silver, and Dean Skelos (who replaced Joseph Buono). They agree on the outcome of the legislation and then whip their boys into submission. It's probably not 100% like this, but I'm sure they used bullying tactics to get SAFE passed.

When you have a state where almost half the residents live in one small area, their are a lot of common beliefs and fears that don't exist in the rest of (and most of geographically) the state because people are spread out. So voting people out is difficult, too. People don't want to vote their own incumbents out. We need to get rid of Cuomo.
I think it's pretty much accepted that most urban areas are anti gun, especially in the north east. NYC is to a fault. Not having a tradition of gun ownership, no place to hunt or pretty much even a place to shoot will do that to you. It's also a city of immigrants, most weren't allowed guns in their home country, again, no tradition of gun ownership. Add gangs, drug wars, etc., and all guns take on a negative connotation.

Three men in a room is how all important deals go down in NYS. Cuomo swore he'd never do it, swore he'd be transparent, shockingly, he lied. :rolleyes: It's the old joke, how can you tell when politicians are lying? Their lips are moving. The rate of crooked politicians in the area going to jail is unprecedented.

Unfortunately, NYC metro area runs the state.
 
When you have a state where almost half the residents live in one small area, their are a lot of common beliefs and fears that don't exist in the rest of (and most of geographically) the state because people are spread out. So voting people out is difficult, too. People don't want to vote their own incumbents out. We need to get rid of Cuomo.

The system is rigged so that incumbents are nearly impossible to unseat (and there is no recall in NY). AFAIK not one state legislator who voted for the SAFE Act got their walking papers on election day.
 
The system is rigged so that incumbents are nearly impossible to unseat (and there is no recall in NY). AFAIK not one state legislator who voted for the SAFE Act got their walking papers on election day.

Including none of the Republican Senators whose support was critical to initial passage of the law!!!!!
 
The system is rigged so that incumbents are nearly impossible to unseat (and there is no recall in NY). AFAIK not one state legislator who voted for the SAFE Act got their walking papers on election day.
Nor will they ever lose their seat, at least not for gun related issues. Aside from gun enthusiasts, I believe your average New Yorker isn't even aware of the SAFE Act, let alone its odious tenets. Sad state of affairs, it is.
 
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