Dr office search and seizure?

Drail said:

Then you have been very fortunate.

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Yea maybe so. It could be my location too. I have always lived in pro 2a places.

Originally Posted by JSH1 View Post
Obamacare insurance doesn't exist. If someone is getting healthcare through a provision of the Affordable Care Act they either have Medicaid or private insurance. In my state the vast majority of insurance sold on the exchange is Blue Cross / Blue Shield of Alabama.

Medical records are still private even if the are kept electronically instead of in paper folders. HIPAA rules apply in either case.

Asking if you have guns in your home and if the are locked is a standard question recommended by the American Academy of Pediatrics and American Academy of Family Physicians. It is an effort to reduce accidental shootings by children and reduce firearm related suicides. If you don't want to answer the question then don't answer.

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Both of which are virulently anti-gun organizations. As for HIPAA, it plainly states that they can and will share your medical records with law enforcement and government agencies, as required by law. The Lautenberg Amendment is proof that the government can strip you of your constitutional rights, retroactively.

So it's not a matter of whether you want to answer the question, but whether answering it can any way benefit you the patient, as opposed to whether it could be used against you. It can and it has been used against some people.

I wind up at the VA Specialty Clinic quite regularly. My doc does ask me about guns, usually what new ones I have and shares what new ones he has. A 20 minute appointment can turn into 45 minutes.

Last time I went to the doctor I was asking him the questions. I asked if he had been able to find any ammo lately and if he got any deals. My dentist, a life long friend, always wants to know if I have any new toys. If I do, he wants to see them. I guess neither of them really has to ask.

My family doc hasn't asked but he knows. And He's a gun guy too. Says he owns an interest in a gun store in another state.

My GP asked if I had any hobbies last visit. I told him it was down to flying RC aircraft and ham radio, as he already knew I can't ride motorcycles or fly full sized aircraft any more.

Self defense is not a hobby, right?

The last time I went to a new doctor, I was asked if there were firearms in the house, do I smoke, do I wear a seatbelt regularly, do I drink, and do I wear steel toed shoes when I mowed the lawn.

I guess I could understand these questions if I were applying for life insurance, but for a medical checkup?

Then I wondered if my doctor was trying to anticipate what I might do to myself, and perhaps whether he could send his kids to an Ivy league school based on my misadventures. After all, I do live in a state where many a medical procedure starts with either "Here, hold my beer," or "Hey, wanna see something cool?"

My daughter in law is a pediatrician, and very pro 2nd amendment. She doesn't ask about guns, per se. She does ask children if they feel safe at home, and if she has reasons to be concerned, she'll probe further. But seeing as she and my son keep guns close at hand for self-defense, she'd never go along with routine collecting of such data and putting it into medical records.

My own doctor has never asked. But I went in recently, just for a consult to get a prescription refilled, and he decided to do a quick exam. Well, I wasn't expecting that, and was carrying. I told him I was carrying, so he wouldn't be surprised. That led to a friendly discussion about guns. He's not a shooter, but he knows many of his patients are, and seems okay with it.

I don't like to lie, so if asked, rather than flat out say "no" I'd probably say "That's none of your business." Whether I say it snarky like that, or soften it, would just depend on the circumstances. I'm not sure how refusing to answer would get catalogued if someone were keeping a record. But having a CHL, having once had a FFL01, and later an FFL03, I'm sure my name would end up on a database somewhere if the powers that be are determined to get it.

I'm less concerned with my name getting on a list than I am in the general drift of society to where .gov knows everything. We've got to push back, and stem the tide, and hopefully reverse it, if it is not too late.

I don't have any problems in this area. All my docs (and some of the nurses) talk about deer or turkey hunting or where to find ammo. A couple of them could be classified as preppers. Life is good and it's just another day in paradise!

I have never had a doctor, dentist or veterinarian ask anything about guns or if I feel safe at home but then again I live in Texas.

Oops, I just remembered my dental hygienist did ask me to bring her some venison Jerky next time I come in.

I am a disabled Vet and use the VA healthcare. The only time I was asked about guns is if I shoot right or left handed when I was getting my hearing test. and yeah, I found out I needed hearing aids. These things are fantastic.

clamman said:

I am a disabled Vet and use the VA healthcare. The only time I was asked about guns is if I shoot right or left handed when I was getting my hearing test. and yeah, I found out I needed hearing aids. These things are fantastic.

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Few years back we were contracted by an individual to build duplexes which he then rented to the local V.A. Hospital for Vets. Some were disabled, some just didn't have anyplace else to live as I understand it. They owned vehicles. lived on their own and came and went as they pleased Once a week or so Veteran's Affairs would come with groceries. Other than that I have no details. Talking to the Vets(most were my age) that lived in the completed homes as we built others, even tho they were able to own guns, they could not have any while they lived there in the subsidized housing. We even had to put passage locks on all the doors inside so that no doors could be locked to prevent inspection for this. The Vets couldn't explain why, not did I ever find a legitimate reason for it.

You're going to have to actually do something to be noticed, something "legitimately" illegal. Otherwise most authorities don't have the time of day to even pay attention that you are raising your profile. You are going to have to work on it a lot more than worry about deflecting a doctor's question, and that is because their are just enough criminals to fill the day of law enforcement, and then some.

If the nation really had the resources to overwatch each and every single one of us, then a killer couldn't ever make the status of being a serial killer. They would have got them a lot earlier.

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Although true, it is a bit naive.

Right now it's all about collecting data. Data which is stored on mega-computers. You may have a computer capable of storing millions of names, addreses, etc. It's not that hard to do.

So, .gov collects from NICS (deleted? Yeah, after sharing it with a computer somewhere). Doctor's questions? CCW apps? Military info? Political forums? Court proceedings? All sources of data and info.

How about all the cameras that take pictures every 10 seconds or so. Big cities have them. They are for policing intersections, right? Sure. If you say so. Your car is registered so there are pictures of you driving down 5th avenue on the way to your doctor. If needed, they can pull them up to see if you did drive there. You are anonymous until they put in a search function. They don't know you but can find you if they really want to.

So, right now were all safe and fuzzy because it's illegal to collect this useless info. Our gov wouldn't infringe on our rights, right? Would you be amazed if something came down the pipe and the gov wanted a list of all males between the age of 18 and 35 who are white, are not professed Democrats and are NRA members who have purchased a firearm or have answered "yes" to owning a firearm in the last 10 years or has a permit to own or carry? Would you be amazed that within a short amount of time a printed list could be given to the prez if asked? Do you really think that this information is private or deleted and that the .gov could not come up with such a list? Seriously?

Our government has been recording our conversations, emails, texts, social media comments, etc for a while now. Don't believe it? Watch the news. All of this info may not be in neat, organized files in a secret room in DC but you can bet that with a few algorithms they have anything they need to look at you, me or any person who lives a normal life. If they need to, they will. We are all on record in a "cloud" somewhere, nameless and faceless until someone enters in a search criteria. Then we become hard copy.

Paranoid?
Nah, it's the life we live now. This is still the best place on earth to live.

I don't do anything nor plan to do anything that will put me under the microscope unless the proverbial SHTF occurs and if that ever happens, not much will be left anyway. Live and let live but don't think for a minute that you are anonymous. You may be until they want to find you. Your life will then open up like a rose opening to the sun.

No one i know has ever been asked about guns by a medical doctor. That includes dozens of retired military and veterans, some diagnosed with PTSD.

This is very interesting some people here seem to have not problem and say it's a American Pediactric Association question. Maybe some one can educate me or correct me here.

How many people are killed or injured by other means ?
What are the major causes of pediactric mortality or morbidity (fancy stupid words for death and maimed.) Is it car accidents, drownings, ingesting (eating or drinking) poisions, disease, violence ????

Do firearms play such a pivotal role and highly increase the numbers statistically per capita or whatever in any of these matters that it warrents such a question ??????

Or is this just another reflection of the current polical climate creeping into as well as tainting facts in areas such as health care, science, and just common sense.

By the way I am finding it difficult to get much info on gun legislation on line. I think most lawers are too stuck on their gravy train of gun owners facing the fearful prospect of prison time financing their lavish lifestyle to give out any trade secrets in this time of impending fascism. Yes a somewhat unrelated but related rant.

After another incident where an elderly person killed people the other day, I asked myself how many deaths per year are caused by elderly drivers who "made a mistake"? I believe this was twice in the last few weeks and I believe the death count between the two incidents is close to 10 people.

Why are there no cries to restrict the "rights" of drivers over the age of (XX)? I'm sure it's easy to come up with an age where these accidents occur more frequently than the average. No secretive emergency meetings to pass legislation in the middle of the night to restrict the people who caused these deaths? No headlines for weeks or months showing the families of the victims? This is a horrible tragedy but it seems like just another day of tragedy in America. However, should these same people die at the hands of a deranged gunman and all hell would break lose. Why the double standard?

I've never been asked (yet) and if they do ask I will tell them it is none of their business. I'm also one of those who do not like to lie.

I did have something rather amusing occur last time I was at the dentist being fitted for a new gold crown. I mentioned that I stopped at Cabela's before I showed up there, and the assistant asked me what I bought. I told her I bought a hat, I paused for a bit, then told her I also bought two pounds of gunpowder (Hodgdon Benchmark). She didn't seem overly surprised even though I have never mentioned firearms in their office (had the same dentist since 1975)... I think the other helpers in there might have been a bit shocked, though...

I say the same thing every time this topic comes up; if you say anything but no when they ask that question they are going to take it as a yes.

So, when they ask simply say “No.” and move onto the next question. Don’t elaborate, don’t start going on about your Rights, don’t even ask why they would ask you such a question just say no.

just say no

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Well,, it did work with the war on drugs.

LoL, sorry, I couldn't pass it up.

I do agree with it, though. Say no to everything that is none of their business.
They don't prosecute 99.9% of the people who lie on form 4473 so I doubt telling a lie here would cause any ripple. Why would it? You think the people who are required to ask really care?

larryh1108 said:

Well,, it did work with the war on drugs.

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I thought about referncing that but I couldn't make it sound funny

I went to the doctor yesterday, read my AR15 magazine while waiting, doctor thought the BMC Jack Carbine was cool. Eastern Washington is very conservative.

Yesterday I went shopping for homeowners insurance. They asked me personal questions like if I owned a dog and has it ever bit anyone. Then they asked me if I owned a trampoline or a wood burning appliance.

Later in the evening a helicopter flew over my house.....


Does anyone know if those metallic looking emergency space blankets work anything like tin-foil?