primalmu
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That looks god awful, and extremely impractical IMO. I don't think the added velocity you would get would make much if any difference within self-defense ranges anyway.
Is this CCW setup totally crazy? (Glock 27)
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Cowboybebop
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So what about this setup for Eastern US woods carry?
Moving up from 500 ft/lbs to 650 ft/lbs (using doubletap's numbers) make a difference there at all?
And I agree, it looks kind of funny.
Moving up from 500 ft/lbs to 650 ft/lbs (using doubletap's numbers) make a difference there at all?
And I agree, it looks kind of funny.
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Cowboybebop,
Why u care about what other folks think? You dreamt this up so there must be something about it that speaks to you. So try it.
Try your idea out for 6 months or a year and see how it works for you. Then come back and tell folks what worked and what didn't.
Or you can ask me what pants you should wear and what boots. Or if the color of the shirt matches your eyes.
tipoc
Why u care about what other folks think? You dreamt this up so there must be something about it that speaks to you. So try it.
Try your idea out for 6 months or a year and see how it works for you. Then come back and tell folks what worked and what didn't.
Or you can ask me what pants you should wear and what boots. Or if the color of the shirt matches your eyes.
tipoc
hardluk1
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I would never carry that rig or handgun. Stock barrel and length barrel for regular ammo or a bar-sto barrel for hot 40sw ammo stock lenght. You want the best chamber support you can get with hot 40sw ammo and a full sized mag with x grip as backup mag.
Bullet placement is more important than a few fps.
Bullet placement is more important than a few fps.
Rusty Luck
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No sir I would not carry that. Though I can understand your problem with carrying a longer gripped pistol, when I carried my full size XDm 4.5 it was no fun.
What I have done with my Springfield XDm is put the 4.5in slide and barrel onto my 3.8in compact lower. (Of course I tested it and had zero issues). Though I'm unsure if glock has this compatibility...
What I have done with my Springfield XDm is put the 4.5in slide and barrel onto my 3.8in compact lower. (Of course I tested it and had zero issues). Though I'm unsure if glock has this compatibility...
sakata8242
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LWD barrels have tighter tolerances than the Glock factory. "But that means it's better!" No, not necessarily. I've seen LWD barrels choke up after hard use on the range at several classes because of the tolerances.
If you want a longer barrel just carry a G23/G22. You're not even getting the benefit of a longer sight radius with your setup.
Suggestion: Run that rig hard over a 1-2 day class and see how it works out. My guess is you'll be making changes at the end when you figure out what doesn't work...the hard way.
If you want a longer barrel just carry a G23/G22. You're not even getting the benefit of a longer sight radius with your setup.
Suggestion: Run that rig hard over a 1-2 day class and see how it works out. My guess is you'll be making changes at the end when you figure out what doesn't work...the hard way.
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I would not carry that.
guyfromohio
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I would think it would be difficult to clear the holster.
The Lone Haranguer
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If it works for you I suppose I can't argue with it, but ...
I would personally not. The whole point of that little gun is to be little. With that long of a barrel you might has well have gotten a G34 or 35 (whichever one is the .40) and gained some sight radius. If the grip is too long the solution is as close as the nearest bandsaw.
I would personally not. The whole point of that little gun is to be little. With that long of a barrel you might has well have gotten a G34 or 35 (whichever one is the .40) and gained some sight radius. If the grip is too long the solution is as close as the nearest bandsaw.
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No. I wouldn't. I agree without increased sight radius there is no point.
Not a Glock fan myself but the CCO style frame cut 19 mod is looking more and more appealing everyday.
Now to find a used Gen 2 for a donor when my mood is right.
Not a Glock fan myself but the CCO style frame cut 19 mod is looking more and more appealing everyday.
Now to find a used Gen 2 for a donor when my mood is right.
snooperman
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The 27 with a short barrel is much more practical for close quarter encounters.
The Lone Haranguer
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Maybe a little eccentric.
Taurus 617 CCW
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It would only make a difference with velocity when the bullet approaches 2000+ feet per second.
What is the gain in velocity?
What does that translate to in terms of terminal ballistics?
My gut reaction is that it is not going to amount to any real difference at all.
If I am going to take on the extra length then I would like some tangible advantage, longer sight radius, a gun that allows me quicker followups, something.
I'd be more inclined to go this route:
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It actually has some arguable advantages. Just sticking a longer barrel in and gaining a small increase in FPS which is unlikely to translate to any real benefit in terms of terminal ballistic? I'm not seeing the advantage.
I'm actually considering this mod to a G17, but will likely only take it down to a G19 grip. There are times a slightly shorter grip would make a difference in terms of concealment. The grip is still long enough at the 19 length to give me a full grip and control. The loss of two rounds would be an acceptable trade off. Of course, the argument that a G19 still shoots pretty well and the added slide length is only of marginal value is compelling. However, one can often find surplus G17/G22s cheaper than G19/23s.
In sum, a chopped G22 or G23 makes more sense to me than that set up.
Probably not what you were looking for in terms of input, but I agree there are much better holsters as well.
Hometeached1
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You beat me to it and said it better as well!What is the gain in velocity?
What does that translate to in terms of terminal ballistics?
My gut reaction is that it is not going to amount to any real difference at all.
If I am going to take on the extra length then I would like some tangible advantage, longer sight radius, a gun that allows me quicker followups, something.
I'd be more inclined to go this route:
It actually has some arguable advantages. Just sticking a longer barrel in and gaining a small increase in FPS which is unlikely to translate to any real benefit in terms of terminal ballistic? I'm not seeing the advantage.
I'm actually considering this mod to a G17, but will likely only take it down to a G19 grip. There are times a slightly shorter grip would make a difference in terms of concealment. The grip is still long enough at the 19 length to give me a full grip and control. The loss of two rounds would be an acceptable trade off. Of course, the argument that a G19 still shoots pretty well and the added slide length is only of marginal value is compelling. However, one can often find surplus G17/G22s cheaper than G19/23s.
In sum, a chopped G22 or G23 makes more sense to me than that set up.
Probably not what you were looking for in terms of input, but I agree there are much better holsters as well.
jigglyjames29
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Why do you care what we think?
If you like it and the extra length doesn't bother you, caaaarry it.
If you like it and the extra length doesn't bother you, caaaarry it.
If you want the extra fps and ft lbs and can carry comfortably then rock on cowboy. Just shoot many rounds to test reliability. Who cares what we he she or whoever else thinks. With that barrel you can put some cast lead bullets through there as well. However I always recommend keeping self defense guns in stock form, not because of prosecutors but because of reliability. Glocks not fully supported chamber is what helps in feeding reliability in their 40 cal models.
I plan on doing this to my p09 duty when I get it to get that extra velocity.
http://youtu.be/G_wv5ky03Z0
Wait til they get a load of me!!!
http://youtu.be/G_wv5ky03Z0
Wait til they get a load of me!!!
MTMilitiaman
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If you are looking for more velocity from a .40 cal in a compact handgun, consider the Glock 29 in 10mm Auto. In fact, you should write that down. No one looking for high-performance from a .40 caliber looks at the .40 S&W. That is a compromise cartridge. The 10mm Auto is where it is at for the .40 cal. The grip is thicker and the down side is snappier recoil at higher performance levels, but nothing is free. The G29 allows you to shoot the same bullet 150 fps faster from a 3.7 inch barrel than you can from the extended barrel in your G27. And the pistol would be shorter, quicker on the draw, and have longer sight radius.
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Cowboybebop
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Update
Thanks for all of the replies. I actually thought about a G29, but honestly I felt that it was much too wide to carry IWB. I do like, however, that the 29 has a rail for versatility.
I put in a G23 barrel. It gets me about 0.5" more length, keeps the stock reliability and polygonal rifling, and looks a little better.
BTW - I can definitely tell the difference between the 5.3" barrel and the 3.5". When shooting swinging steel AR500 plates with the stock barrel, they almost never swing around to the other side. Swap the barrel out with the LWD and it's amazing the difference. The plates swing over to the other side almost every hit. Just something interesting that I noticed.
Thanks for all of the replies. I actually thought about a G29, but honestly I felt that it was much too wide to carry IWB. I do like, however, that the 29 has a rail for versatility.
I put in a G23 barrel. It gets me about 0.5" more length, keeps the stock reliability and polygonal rifling, and looks a little better.
BTW - I can definitely tell the difference between the 5.3" barrel and the 3.5". When shooting swinging steel AR500 plates with the stock barrel, they almost never swing around to the other side. Swap the barrel out with the LWD and it's amazing the difference. The plates swing over to the other side almost every hit. Just something interesting that I noticed.
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I would not recommend using a G23 barrel in a G27 (or using a G19 barrel in a G26). Sure, it works, but it's hard on the frame.
If you want to see why, lay a G27 barrel next to a G23 barrel (or a G26 barrel next to a G19) and you'll see there are more differences than just the barrel length. The G27's barrel (or G26) needs to tip up at a steeper angle than the G23 (or G19), so if you look closely you'll see that the angle of the lug on the barrel that engages the locking block on the frame is different. And that means you're putting a lot more wear on the frame of your G27 when you shoot it with a G23 barrel.
If you want to see why, lay a G27 barrel next to a G23 barrel (or a G26 barrel next to a G19) and you'll see there are more differences than just the barrel length. The G27's barrel (or G26) needs to tip up at a steeper angle than the G23 (or G19), so if you look closely you'll see that the angle of the lug on the barrel that engages the locking block on the frame is different. And that means you're putting a lot more wear on the frame of your G27 when you shoot it with a G23 barrel.
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Cowboybebop
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Theo,
What you wrote about the angle differences I had never heard before today. I was so curious about this that I just compared all three barrels.
From what I have here I will have to kindly disagree with you. The barrel lugs look identical. Take a look at the pictures and let me know what you think. The most interesting picture is the one with the 27 barrel laid overtop the 23, the cuts are like clones of each other.
What you wrote about the angle differences I had never heard before today. I was so curious about this that I just compared all three barrels.
From what I have here I will have to kindly disagree with you. The barrel lugs look identical. Take a look at the pictures and let me know what you think. The most interesting picture is the one with the 27 barrel laid overtop the 23, the cuts are like clones of each other.
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