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CCW is a huge win for us Illinois citizens. I'm concerned with what may come next in the way of a MSR and Mag ban. These 2 items are not fairing well in court cases. Anyone here care to offer an opinion on where we are headed with these?
 
Not from IL, so heres an outsider's perspective. IF they were going to pass anything like that any time soon it would have probably been last year. The lack of statewide preemption probably makes statewide bans a low priority. Chicago gets to have its restrictions without a state law. It kinda sounds like any substantial change in IL requires some support of the rural Democrats and they're afraid of doing anything on guns.

All that being said it only takes one high profile incident for a legislature to feel the pressure to "do something".
 
Won't make it through the house, if they try. Every year it gets brought up, every year it dies in committee.


EDIT: Even staunch Chicago liberals will be the first to admit it isn't rifles causing deaths (backed up by FBI UCR stats)

Here's a snip of some data I use when debating this;


(All data below sourced from the FBI Uniform Crime reporting statistics, “table 20: murder by weapon by state”)

2004: *4* murders with Rifles (all types), out of 448.
(10 with hands and fists)

2005: *4* murders with rifles (all types), out of 448.
(21 with hands and fists)

2006: ONCE AGAIN, *4* murders with rifles (all types), out of 487
(14 murders with hands and fists)

2007: YET AGAIN! *4* murders with rifles (all types), out of 463.
(10 murders with hands and fists)

2008: WHOA New number! *3* murders with rifles (all types), out of 530.
(11 murders with hands and fists)

2009: *5* murders with rifles (all types), out of 479.
(6 murders with hands and fists)

2010: *3* murders with rifles (all types), out of 453.
(16 murders with hands and fists)

2011: *1* - yes, only ONE murder with a rifle, all types, out of 452.
(*17* murders with hands and fists)

2012: *4* murders with rifles (all types), out of 509.
(12 murders with hands and fists)
 
They got scary close last year, but we melted the phone lines & got it stopped. Remember that they all "serve" two year terms, so its the same people. They no longer have the momentum of the Sandy Hook Tragedy, and they will be concentrating on neutering the CCW bill. I expect that will be the battle this year rather than trying to rehash gun & mag bans.

I think there is a real chance of a Republican governor next time around. That won't necessarily translate into 2A support, but no one could be worse than Quinn. Also remember that we are fresh off of a Madigan redistricting which resulted in Democrat supermajorities in both chambers. I suspect that will also change, so I think if it was going to happen, it would have been last year.
 
I've lived a block outside crock county for 40 years and would be in deep dip if that ban went state wide. Our kids are grown and my best gal keeps looking at smaller places closer to town. I won't move that direction and become a felon and she won't leave for a free state, so that's my worry. Appreciate your input.
 
The insanity will never abate. If you haven't already, the best insurance you can buy for a future with your gun rights intact in the Land of Lincoln is a membership in the Illinois State Rifle Association: http://isra.org/

They do an oustanding job of getting information on pending legislation into an easy to use format (see their spreadsheet on the site) and make lobbying funds stretch a long way.
 
Lifer in NRA and ISRA, just sent yearly 300.00 donation to ISRA. I'm very proactive with talking to my state reps. They are very aware of my views.
It would be the low point of my life to have my state turn on me at this point in my life. My family moved here in the 1830's and I would hate to leave, but the thought of being ordered to relinquish my collection may be too much to accept. I have always told my family that a government can take anything they want with the stroke of a pen, and not just your guns. You must stay involved and be aware of whats going on and show up at election time to protect what you hold dear.
 
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Lifer in NRA and ISRA, just sent yearly 300.00 donation to ISRA. I'm very proactive with talking to my state reps. They are very aware of my views.
It would be the low point of my life to have my state turn on me at this point in my life. My family moved here in the 1830's and I would hate to leave, but the thought of being ordered to relinquish my collection may be too much to accept. I have always told my family that a government can take anything they want with the stroke of a pen, and not just your guns. You must say involved and aware of whats going on and show up at election time to protect what you hold dear.
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I think the general consensus is the current legislature probably won't be able to pass anything in the way of assault weapons bans or mag restrictions. I also believe the ccw law included some provision freezing local laws in their current state, so new local restrictions can't be enacted (but old ones are grandfathered). It is also unlikely that you would be forced to give up your collection, if we look at other states that have passed assault weapons bans they usually have grandfather provisions (not that it still doesn't suck, but you would likely have the option to keep everything).

All that being said it just takes losing a few key legislatures to anti gun opponents or another high profile tragedy to change things for the worse.
 
And yes they will try to add types of prohibited locations to the already large list, like adding truck stops and gas stations, grocery stores, barber shops, beauty and nail salons, auto repair shops, tax preparation offices, pet and pet supply stores... and churches and places of worship (just to name a few). They will continue to attempt to grow the list location by location until they have re-created the old ban piece by piece, one location at a time.

They will also try to tax RTKBA out of existence by proposed increases to FOID, and CCL fees and a state tax surcharge on firearms and ammo purchases.

Mag cap limits and AWB will be introduced at least one time by fast Eddie Acevedo, maybe twice... they sometime try to sneak a shell bill in and transform it into an AWB at the last minute. Maybe three times, there is a chance that an AWB or any kind of anti-gun amendment can be tacked on to certain bills.

Actually we could even see four attempts at an AWB, depending on who is governor, the governor could always use the amendatory veto to completely rewrite a piece of legislation to incorporate AWB and any other gun control legislation.

The statist anti-gunners in IL will never stop, don't think that they will.
 
I think there is a real chance of a Republican governor next time around.
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No it's not a guarantee. Two of the GOP candidates might support an AWB or magazine ban. I'm going to post this here since the organization that I pay to keep Illinois shooters informed, the ISRA seems more concerned with the candidate's positions on term limits instead of gun issues.

GOP governor candidates differ on gun laws

AP) — As Illinois prepares to become the last state in the nation to issue concealed-carry gun permits, the four Republicans contending for Illinois governor express differing views about additional gun issues facing the state, including a proposed ban on assault-style weapons and stricter gun-crime sentences.

In a campaign questionnaire for the Associated Press, the four candidates — state Sens. Bill Brady and Kirk Dillard, state Treasurer Dan Rutherford and businessman Bruce Rauner — all said gun rights need to be protected but that some public safeguards should exist.

The four differ over assault-style guns — high-capacity weapons that have been used in some of the deadliest mass shootings. They aren't illegal statewide, and a proposed statewide ban backed by Democratic Gov. Pat Quinn was pulled from consideration last year in Springfield. About 20 communities voted last year to ban them as part of the concealed-carry legislation process last spring..............Dillard, of Hinsdale, and Rauner, of Winnetka, both left open the possibility they would support a ban. Rutherford, of Chenoa, and Brady, of Bloomington, oppose such a ban.

In a slight turn from Republican platforms in support of expanded gun rights, Dillard indicated it's possible he could support the ban depending on how the law was drafted.

"As a dad with young children, I'm concerned about high-capacity weapons and public safety," Dillard wrote.

'VERY CAREFUL BALANCE'

Rauner gave a more vague answer, saying he supports background checks that keep guns away from criminals and people with mental illness.

"Going beyond that requires a very careful balance between promoting public safety and protecting constitutional rights," Rauner wrote........Read the rest at the link http://www.chicagobusiness.com/arti...51/gop-governor-candidates-differ-on-gun-laws
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Surprisingly enough Quinns opponent in the Democrat primary, Tio Hardiman doesn't support an AWB saying this:
http://www.chicagobusiness.com/arti...51/gop-governor-candidates-differ-on-gun-laws

"There is no data to back up the fact that the legal gun owners in Illinois are part of the gun violence problem in Illinois," Hardiman said. "I support the Second Amendment all the way."
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So Jeff, who do you think has a chance of bagging Quinn? Rauner might end up another Bloomberg. Political office another trophy in his case. I liked Brady last time but he's wounded slightly. Dillard to close to all the public unions I fear.
Rutherford and the relationship with his subordinates has hurt him, whether true or not. I don't think any of the four are closet antis but we've been back stabbed before.
 
I haven't got a clue. It's like the primary isn't happening down here. You don't see any yard signs or other visible indicators that there is a campaign going on.
There might be a story a couple times a week in the local media here.
 
The statist anti-gunners in IL will never stop, don't think that they will.
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I agree. Probably been this way since it was Fort Dearborn in 1837. And I believe the last 2 Illini Govs before Quinn are still in Federal Pens.Can any other state claim that ever? Something in the air,water or earth of Chi-town. :eek:

Even Mrs. O'Leary's cow couldn't get the job done right in 1871. :D
Another failure. The Cubs. Endless misery. :scrutiny:
 
At least the Cubs are good for something, comic relief if not baseball. I think they're about to go up to 106 years of futility.

Blago is still in prison. The other one, Ryan, was released not long ago. It's a bi-partisan thing, one from each party. LOL
 
^Thank you for that update,Nanook. So Ryan is out. Blago has a mighty long stretch to go. It is bi-partisan! And the Cubs 1908 World Series flag still waves! After that win, they lost 7 straight World Series! It is very sad.
 
BTW lilguy-
If you haven't already, I encourage you to sign up at illinoiscarry.com. The forum over there is the hub of IL gun rights activity online, and you get the latest, most up-to-date news on what the legislature is doing, and what action you can take, especially when making phone calls can make a difference.
 
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